Author Topic: Madeleine McCann's parents lose libel case with the European Court of Human Rights  (Read 45607 times)

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Which theory was that?

The one where a decomposing body was sloshing around in the back of the hire car. 

Or the one where the repose of the elderly British lady was disturbed by invading her coffin and adding a further body prior to her alleged cremation?

The one where she died in the holiday apartment & her parents faked an abduction.

Wolters is having a bit of problem overcoming that possibility.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

What will Amaral do next is more my bag at the moment.

Could you hide a tennis racket in it?
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Offline Icanhandlethetruth

answer a simple question...do the alerts confirm the presence of cadaver odour...harrison and grime say no


Depends the on the definition of confirm in the legal sense

Offline Mr Gray

Your argument seems to be the lawyers are incompetent because they lost.
You know nothing about them. You have just had a look at their website and decided this because it means you were not wrong if they were inept.
Maybe they have had success at the ECHR previously or maybe its their first case but they hired the best outside legal expertise to help in preparing the written submission.
You have made the assertion that they were incompetent so you should prove the evidence to back up your claims. I am not claiming they were or were not incompetent.

Whats wrong with being compared to your daughter when she was 12 by the way, surely you thought she was brilliant, no?

she was...you are not...but like many yougsters she repeatedlytold me..you dont understand..

try answering the important point...is it a fact that eddie alerted to cadaver odour..the answer is no

Offline Mr Gray


Depends the on the definition of confirm in the legal sense

you are stumped arent you...

whats the defn of facts in the ECHR judgement...lets try you with that one

Offline Icanhandlethetruth

she was...you are not...but like many yougsters she repeatedlytold me..you dont understand..

try answering the important point...is it a fact that eddie alerted to cadaver odour..the answer is no

She was right. Smart girl.

Offline Wonderfulspam


GMC - I want to speak about the sniffer dogs. They never alerted to any blood in the car and they never alerted to cadaver odour...

Judge [interrupts] – We are not here to ascertain that, our perspective here in this court is to analyse your claim.
GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.

Judge – To decide that there are already forensic experts. We are not here to prove if the contents of the book are truthful or not. Here we are only trying to establish if the freedom of expression of the defendants has affected the rights of the claimants. This court cannot be a substitute of the criminal investigation.
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Offline G-Unit

His Theory?  That's a laugh.

Yes, his theory which he was legally entitled to write a book explaining.
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Offline The General

What will Amaral do next is more my bag at the moment.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Yes, his theory which he was legally entitled to write a book explaining.

One which the 3 investigative forces have been able to discard entirely.

Abduction is now proven, Wolters has solved the case, so I've been reliably informed.
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Offline Eleanor

Yes, his theory which he was legally entitled to write a book explaining.

Aren't we all.  This could be a problem that no one was expecting.

Offline The General

Yes, his theory which he was legally entitled to write a book explaining.
A book whose conclusion 80% of readers agree with.
Even supporters were turned in their droves, some of whom post clandestinely here, I imagine.
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Offline Mr Gray

A book whose conclusion 80% of readers agree with.
Even supporters were turned in their droves, some of whom post clandestinely here, I imagine.

what percentage of bible readers think the bible is true

Offline The General

what percentage of bible readers think the bible is true
Approximately 12%.
Here's why - the Bible is the most read book ever, most of whom will not be Christian. Bad example. Try another.
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Offline Icanhandlethetruth

you are stumped arent you...

whats the defn of facts in the ECHR judgement...lets try you with that one

No, not stumped. in a legal sense confirmed could be
Criminal case - beyond reasonable doubt
Civil Case -  balance of probabilities
In the judgement they referred to the civil case below

40. With regard to the facts, referring to the evidence which had been submitted by the parties, the Lisbon Court found the following established:
“...
6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela detected odor marks of human blood and corpse inside the Ocean Club's 5-A apartment.
7. British police dogs 'Eddie' and 'Keela' detected odor marks of human blood and cadaver inside the vehicle rented by the applicants ... after Madeleine disappeared.

 
Deductive reasoning can be applied to the above
Specifically trained dogs were introduced in the case ( Not random dogs)
Out of all the specifically trained dogs 2 were specifically chosen by the Nation Search Advisor (Increased specifically)
Trained dogs alerted multiple times (only in locations associated with the suspects and nowhere else)
On the balance of probabilities the civil court found the dogs alerted to which they were trained
 
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