Madeleine McCann's parents lose libel case with the European Court of Human Rights

[Mr Gray]

No, not stumped. in a legal sense confirmed could be
Criminal case - beyond reasonable doubt
Civil Case -  balance of probabilities
In the judgement they referred to the civil case below

40. With regard to the facts, referring to the evidence which had been submitted by the parties, the Lisbon Court found the following established:
“...
6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela detected odor marks of human blood and corpse inside the Ocean Club's 5-A apartment.
7. British police dogs 'Eddie' and 'Keela' detected odor marks of human blood and cadaver inside the vehicle rented by the applicants ... after Madeleine disappeared.
 
Deductive reasoning can be applied to the above
Specifically trained dogs were introduced in the case ( Not random dogs)
Out of all the specifically trained dogs 2 were specifically chosen by the Nation Search Advisor (Increased specifically)
Trained dogs alerted multiple times (only in locations associated with the suspects and nowhere else)
On the balance of probabilities the civil court found the dogs alerted to which they were trained
 
Not everything is black and white

total twaddle..il explain why later.......which civil court decided the alertswere reliable....the civil court stated clearly they were not there to decide the truth of amarals claims

[kizzy]

total twaddle..il explain why later.......which civil court decided the alertswere reliable....the civil court stated clearly they were not there to decide the truth of amarals claims

In short, the mccs rights were not damaged apart from what they did to themselves.

I anyone's rights were neglected it was Maddie's.

Why don't you just accept what I C H T T trying to explain to you and doing a good job ... you're not.

[Mr Gray]

In short, the mccs rights were not damaged apart from what they did to themselves.

I anyone's rights were neglected it was Maddie's.

Why don't you just accept what I C H T T trying to explain to you and doing a good job ... you're not.

Because I'm right... Simple

[Icanhandlethetruth]

total twaddle..il explain why later.......which civil court decided the alertswere reliable....the civil court stated clearly they were not there to decide the truth of amarals claims

According to the ECHR judgement, The Original Civil court proceedings of April 27, 2015 found

“...
6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela detected odor marks of human blood and corpse inside the Ocean Club's 5-A apartment.
7. British police dogs 'Eddie' and 'Keela' detected odor marks of human blood and cadaver inside the vehicle rented by the applicants ... after Madeleine disappeared.

As it had been established as proven by the balance of probabilities in the court of first instance there is no requirement for subsequent courts to to try and either reprove or disprove this.

Have you read the ECHR judgement?

[misty]

In short, the mccs rights were not damaged apart from what they did to themselves.

I anyone's rights were neglected it was Maddie's.

Why don't you just accept what I C H T T trying to explain to you and doing a good job ... you're not.

I disagree. Had the McCanns subsequently been charged with any offences against Madeleine, they could have argued that the book denied them the right to a fair trial. Much of the "evidence" against them has already been leaked by the investigating team under the instruction of the book's author and reinforced by the book. However, if the case had never gone to trial the McCanns would never have been able to legally defend themselves/demonstrate their innocence so they'd remain in perpetual limbo in the absence of the real offender(s) being uncovered. This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I disagree. Had the McCanns subsequently been charged with any offences against Madeleine, they could have argued that the book denied them the right to a fair trial. Much of the "evidence" against them has already been leaked by the investigating team under the instruction of the book's author and reinforced by the book. However, if the case had never gone to trial the McCanns would never have been able to legally defend themselves/demonstrate their innocence so they'd remain in perpetual limbo in the absence of the real offender(s) being uncovered. This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

Yes, there seems to be belief that the McCanns should have just remained silent and accepting in the face of such a public and determined accusation in the form of Amaral's bestselling book.  Why the hell should they, can anyone explain? 

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, there seems to be belief that the McCanns should have just remained silent and accepting in the face of such a public and determined accusation in the form of Amaral's bestselling book.  Why the hell should they, can anyone explain?

Well, complaining about it hasn't got them anywhere has it.

[Brietta]

No, not stumped. in a legal sense confirmed could be
Criminal case - beyond reasonable doubt
Civil Case -  balance of probabilities
In the judgement they referred to the civil case below

40. With regard to the facts, referring to the evidence which had been submitted by the parties, the Lisbon Court found the following established:
“...
6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela detected odor marks of human blood and corpse inside the Ocean Club's 5-A apartment.
7. British police dogs 'Eddie' and 'Keela' detected odor marks of human blood and cadaver inside the vehicle rented by the applicants ... after Madeleine disappeared.
 
Deductive reasoning can be applied to the above
Specifically trained dogs were introduced in the case ( Not random dogs)
Out of all the specifically trained dogs 2 were specifically chosen by the Nation Search Advisor (Increased specifically)
Trained dogs alerted multiple times (only in locations associated with the suspects and nowhere else)
On the balance of probabilities the civil court found the dogs alerted to which they were trained
 
Not everything is black and white

Nor even shades of grey.

Have you never pondered why "Trained dogs alerted multiple times (only in locations associated with the suspects and nowhere else)"
Check out The States of Jersey 2010 debacle then I wonder if you would be so kind as to indicate exactly where you found "On the balance of probabilities the civil court found the dogs alerted to which they were trained" and share with us.
 

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Nor even shades of grey.

Have you never pondered why "Trained dogs alerted multiple times (only in locations associated with the suspects and nowhere else)"
Check out The States of Jersey 2010 debacle then I wonder if you would be so kind as to indicate exactly where you found "On the balance of probabilities the civil court found the dogs alerted to which they were trained" and share with us.

I didn't find it , the court did.

[kizzy]

I disagree. Had the McCanns subsequently been charged with any offences against Madeleine, they could have argued that the book denied them the right to a fair trial. Much of the "evidence" against them has already been leaked by the investigating team under the instruction of the book's author and reinforced by the book. However, if the case had never gone to trial the McCanns would never have been able to legally defend themselves/demonstrate their innocence so they'd remain in perpetual limbo in the absence of the real offender(s) being uncovered. This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

Who by.... and for what reason would that be.

They are not appealing ......so why would you think that is...

They should never have gone after GA in the first place....I believe they wished they hadnt.

[Wonderfulspam]

This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

Who by.... and for what reason would that be.

They are not appealing ......so why would you think that is...

They should never have gone after GA in the first place....I believe they wished they hadnt.

I wouldn't jump the gun, they've got 3 months to stew over it.
They could of course use that time to search for Maddie instead, but we know that's not going to happen.

[Vertigo Swirl]

This has been an exceptional legal stitch-up imo.

Who by.... and for what reason would that be.

They are not appealing ......so why would you think that is...

They should never have gone after GA in the first place....I believe they wished they hadnt.

Please explain why they shouldn't have.  Imagine you are the subject of a bestselling book which claims you committed unspeakable acts - what do you do?

[Wonderfulspam]

Please explain why they shouldn't have.  Imagine you are the subject of a bestselling book which claims you committed unspeakable acts - what do you?

Confess instead of having to spend the rest of my life pretending my daughter was abducted.

[Brietta]

I didn't find it , the court did.

Not that I am questioning your veracity but I rather feel that your assertion requires a cite which will enable me to form my own opinion.

I will be obliged if you will provide one.  Thankyou

[Wonderfulspam]

Not that I am questioning your veracity but I rather feel that your assertion requires a cite which will enable me to form my own opinion.

I will be obliged if you will provide one.  Thankyou

I reckon the judges just pulled a decision at random from a bag full of yes/no's