Author Topic: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?  (Read 41970 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #255 on: February 19, 2023, 10:12:25 PM »
Is that new news? I have learned that the claim that evidence has been required to create an arguido since September 2007 isn't recording in the current information available and wasn't reported at the time. It seems to have been an opinion expressed by the McCann's defense lawyer.

What does this mean?

“In relation to the investigation stage of a crime, a provision has been included where if there is no grounds that a crime has been committed, an inquiry will not be initiated, which was not the case before”.

"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #256 on: February 19, 2023, 10:38:45 PM »
Pardon? I'm not the one whose cites are plucked mainly from the press.

You are pardoned.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #257 on: February 20, 2023, 08:21:18 AM »
What does this mean?

“In relation to the investigation stage of a crime, a provision has been included where if there is no grounds that a crime has been committed, an inquiry will not be initiated, which was not the case before”.

What is meant by 'inquiry'?

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #258 on: February 20, 2023, 09:19:51 AM »
What is meant by 'inquiry'?
I asked the question, you seem to know everything about everything so why don't you tell me?  You believe you've uncovered something of significance in the paragraph that follows the sentence I highlighted so kindly parse this one too for the benefit of us dimmos.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #259 on: February 20, 2023, 10:02:53 AM »
I asked the question, you seem to know everything about everything so why don't you tell me?  You believe you've uncovered something of significance in the paragraph that follows the sentence I highlighted so kindly parse this one too for the benefit of us dimmos.

Thank you for the compliment but I only know what I know. I don't know what is meant by 'inquiry'. My best guess is that it refers to the inquiry stage of the process, which seems to follow the investigative stage.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #260 on: February 20, 2023, 11:55:21 AM »
Thank you for the compliment but I only know what I know. I don't know what is meant by 'inquiry'. My best guess is that it refers to the inquiry stage of the process, which seems to follow the investigative stage.
More pertinently what do you take to understand by the word grounds in the sentence "if there is no grounds that a crime has been committed"?  What might give grounds to suspect that a crime had been committed?  Perhaps inquiry means that stage in the investigation during which the arguidoship is conferred on a suspect so that they may be questioned?  The sentence makes clear it is describing the investigative stage of the crime after all.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #261 on: February 20, 2023, 12:17:28 PM »
Thank you for the compliment but I only know what I know. I don't know what is meant by 'inquiry'. My best guess is that it refers to the inquiry stage of the process, which seems to follow the investigative stage.
What happened during the inquiry stage in the McCann case which followed the investigative stage?  Can you highlight that bit in the files pertaining to the inquiry rather than the investigation?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #262 on: February 20, 2023, 12:57:25 PM »
More pertinently what do you take to understand by the word grounds in the sentence "if there is no grounds that a crime has been committed"?  What might give grounds to suspect that a crime had been committed?  Perhaps inquiry means that stage in the investigation during which the arguidoship is conferred on a suspect so that they may be questioned?  The sentence makes clear it is describing the investigative stage of the crime after all.

An unconfirmed report of a crime by a member of the public?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #263 on: February 20, 2023, 01:21:04 PM »
An unconfirmed report of a crime by a member of the public?
What are you talking about?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #264 on: February 20, 2023, 06:11:21 PM »
What happened during the inquiry stage in the McCann case which followed the investigative stage?  Can you highlight that bit in the files pertaining to the inquiry rather than the investigation?

I've got this;

These are the steps a case will go through, under Portuguese law, before reaching the final 'Trial Phase'.

1 - Police receive knowledge of an 'occurence'. They decide if it is likely to constitute a crime.

2 - After a maximum of 10 days, if it is likely to be a crime, the police have to report it to the Prosecutor Services (Ministério Público).

3 - The INQUIRY PHASE begins. The Ministério Público (MP) starts the investigation. A prosecutor heads the investigation, with the help of the police. Under certain circumstances, this phase can be under secrecy of justice (This results from the new code. Previously it was, by default, under secrecy of justice).

4 - Some powers can be delegated by the Ministério Público to the police (PJ).

5 - All is overseen by an INSTRUCTION JUDGE who has to approve certain measures like preventive arrest, etc.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id126.htm


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #265 on: February 20, 2023, 06:49:17 PM »
I've got this;

These are the steps a case will go through, under Portuguese law, before reaching the final 'Trial Phase'.

1 - Police receive knowledge of an 'occurence'. They decide if it is likely to constitute a crime.

2 - After a maximum of 10 days, if it is likely to be a crime, the police have to report it to the Prosecutor Services (Ministério Público).

3 - The INQUIRY PHASE begins. The Ministério Público (MP) starts the investigation. A prosecutor heads the investigation, with the help of the police. Under certain circumstances, this phase can be under secrecy of justice (This results from the new code. Previously it was, by default, under secrecy of justice).

4 - Some powers can be delegated by the Ministério Público to the police (PJ).

5 - All is overseen by an INSTRUCTION JUDGE who has to approve certain measures like preventive arrest, etc.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id126.htm
so I was right and you were wrong then.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #266 on: February 20, 2023, 07:46:09 PM »
so I was right and you were wrong then.

I was;

An unconfirmed report of a crime by a member of the public?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #267 on: February 20, 2023, 08:16:50 PM »
I was;

An unconfirmed report of a crime by a member of the public?
you was what?  What are you talking about?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #268 on: February 23, 2023, 08:28:17 PM »
I've learned that Gerry McCann no longer works as a consultant cardiologist and his wife Kate now works as a manager in a care home.
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Re: As we approach 2023, have we learned anything new?
« Reply #269 on: February 24, 2023, 07:16:32 AM »
I've learned that Gerry McCann no longer works as a consultant cardiologist and his wife Kate now works as a manager in a care home.
I asked you to clarify one of your posts in a comment directly above this one.  Could you please?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".