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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #195 on: January 11, 2023, 02:24:42 AM »
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But Helge Busching represents a real lost chance in solving Madeleine's case years before he contacted Operation Grange from Greece.

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Greek media reported this summer that their police said he wanted to speak to British cops. Grange detectives flew to Athens to question Busching in 2017.

According to an internal Greek police report, Busching’s information was described as “given voluntarily and without monetary or other consideration”.

It added that it had been “cross-checked and is considered a reliable source”. It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Busching and Brueckner were at a kite festival in Spain when Brueckner confessed his involvement.  This was in 2008 by which time Madeleine had been written off by the Portuguese police and Busching "fobbed off" by them when he tried to report what he knew.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=66epd37tf69m75lg106t4ikho4&topic=12454.msg696046#msg696046
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #196 on: January 11, 2023, 02:38:17 AM »
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But Helge Busching represents a real lost chance in solving Madeleine's case years before he contacted Operation Grange from Greece.

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Greek media reported this summer that their police said he wanted to speak to British cops. Grange detectives flew to Athens to question Busching in 2017.

According to an internal Greek police report, Busching’s information was described as “given voluntarily and without monetary or other consideration”.

It added that it had been “cross-checked and is considered a reliable source”. It also revealed how Busching had tried to report his concerns to the Portuguese police but had been fobbed off.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12638463/witness-mccann-guilty-christian-b/

Busching and Brueckner were at a kite festival in Spain when Brueckner confessed his involvement.  This was in 2008 by which time Madeleine had been written off by the Portuguese police and Busching "fobbed off" by them when he tried to report what he knew.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=66epd37tf69m75lg106t4ikho4&topic=12454.msg696046#msg696046

Well, that's one thing you can't blame Amaral for I'm afraid, he'd already left the force by then. So blame his successor, who's name escapes me at 2:30 in the morning. Christ on a bike! Why am I even awake at this hour?  That 12th cup of coffee last night probably wasn't such a good idea after all.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #197 on: January 11, 2023, 12:39:30 PM »
You're the PJ. It's May 4th 2007. The phone is ringing off the hook with every sighting of Maddie from Luz to Lapland. Psychics are calling with all their helpful information. The Tapas 7 are all pointing the finger towards Jane Tanner's sighting of a man carrying Maddie toward Murat's house.

My question.

How many officers should have been sent directly to the houses of every known sex offender within a 50 mile radius of apartment 5a? And at that time, what good reason was there to suspect that Christian Brueckner, specifically, might have abducted Maddie?

I agree, some people just don't realise that the police have more to do than to pursue ever single missing kid report with instant vigour.

In Maddie's case, it had gone midnight and a report was received that a kid had gone missing. Kids go missing all the time in holiday resorts and are usually found unharmed nearby reasonably quickly.

Nobody really expected a mammoth manhunt to immediately swing into action with roadblocks everywhere.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #198 on: January 11, 2023, 12:58:51 PM »
I agree, some people just don't realise that the police have more to do than to pursue ever single missing kid report with instant vigour.

In Maddie's case, it had gone midnight and a report was received that a kid had gone missing. Kids go missing all the time in holiday resorts and are usually found unharmed nearby reasonably quickly.

Nobody really expected a mammoth manhunt to immediately swing into action with roadblocks everywhere.

For something to be found it has to be looked for.

I am surprised at your support of the Portuguese police and the ignorance they displayed of the protocols involved in a missing child investigation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #199 on: January 11, 2023, 08:02:55 PM »
For something to be found it has to be looked for.

I am surprised at your support of the Portuguese police and the ignorance they displayed of the protocols involved in a missing child investigation.

What do you know of the Portuguese protocols Brietta?

The Portuguese Police did all they could reasonably have done the night Maddie disappeared. They were not to blame for the child's disappearance, that lies squarely with the inept parents.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #200 on: January 11, 2023, 08:35:37 PM »
What do you know of the Portuguese protocols Brietta?

The Portuguese Police did all they could reasonably have done the night Maddie disappeared. They were not to blame for the child's disappearance, that lies squarely with the inept parents.

Nope, I'm sorry. The PJ failed miserably. Starting at the very moment the receptionist called the police, the PJ should have been kicking down the doors of every citizen in Lagos who ever had a criminal conviction of any kind ever in their lifetime. Then, once they'd investigated every single permanent resident, they should have started ticking all the tourists off the list as well. Once they'd eliminated everyone else, then & only then, should the McCanns have been considered possible suspects.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #201 on: January 11, 2023, 09:12:32 PM »
What do you know of the Portuguese protocols Brietta?

The Portuguese Police did all they could reasonably have done the night Maddie disappeared. They were not to blame for the child's disappearance, that lies squarely with the inept parents.

The GNR began to search for the child immediately, including off-duty officers who heard about what had happened and turned up to help.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #202 on: January 11, 2023, 09:22:05 PM »
The GNR began to search for the child immediately, including off-duty officers who heard about what had happened and turned up to help.

There should have been a complete lockdown of The Algarve. No one permitted to leave their homes. We did it to stop the spread of Covid, so there's no good reason why the whole of society shouldn't come to complete standstill, every time a child is reported missing.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #203 on: January 11, 2023, 11:01:22 PM »
What do you know of the Portuguese protocols Brietta?

The Portuguese Police did all they could reasonably have done the night Maddie disappeared. They were not to blame for the child's disappearance, that lies squarely with the inept parents.

Note the date on the following media report bearing in mind that Madeleine vanished on 3 May 2007.

Police 'winding down' Madeleine search
Matt Weaver and Esther Addley in Praia da Luz
Thu 10 May 2007

The search for the missing British toddler Madeleine McCann is coming to an end, Portuguese police said tonight.

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) said tonight that the search had not yet been called off, but admitted it was being wound down.

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said that a 125 square mile area had been searched, with each area covered more than once by search and rescue and dog teams, and by more than one search team.

"The area that they covered until now, and all the places that have been checked, the results are zero," he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/10/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #204 on: January 11, 2023, 11:46:52 PM »
Note the date on the following media report bearing in mind that Madeleine vanished on 3 May 2007.

Police 'winding down' Madeleine search
Matt Weaver and Esther Addley in Praia da Luz
Thu 10 May 2007

The search for the missing British toddler Madeleine McCann is coming to an end, Portuguese police said tonight.

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) said tonight that the search had not yet been called off, but admitted it was being wound down.

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said that a 125 square mile area had been searched, with each area covered more than once by search and rescue and dog teams, and by more than one search team.

"The area that they covered until now, and all the places that have been checked, the results are zero," he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/10/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

They double checked a 125 square mile area & that still isn't enough to satisfy you  @)(++(*

Let's be honest here, nothing other than Maddie, or her alleged abductor being found, would have met your standard of approval.

So tell us Brietta, how would you have handled things?
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Offline John

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #205 on: January 11, 2023, 11:48:36 PM »
Note the date on the following media report bearing in mind that Madeleine vanished on 3 May 2007.

Police 'winding down' Madeleine search
Matt Weaver and Esther Addley in Praia da Luz
Thu 10 May 2007

The search for the missing British toddler Madeleine McCann is coming to an end, Portuguese police said tonight.

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) said tonight that the search had not yet been called off, but admitted it was being wound down.

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa said that a 125 square mile area had been searched, with each area covered more than once by search and rescue and dog teams, and by more than one search team.

"The area that they covered until now, and all the places that have been checked, the results are zero," he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/10/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Normal procedure in the circumstances to wind down an active search where no witnesses have come forward. Winding down the actual search on the ground though is a separate matter from the actual investigation which continued.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #206 on: January 11, 2023, 11:57:52 PM »
Normal procedure in the circumstances to wind down an active search where no witnesses have come forward. Winding down the actual search on the ground though is a separate matter from the actual investigation which continued.

At the libel trial Ricardo Paiva testified that even when the case had been archived due to lack of evidence against either the McCanns, or any abductor, the PJ were still conducting investigations when any new information came in.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #207 on: January 12, 2023, 12:07:39 AM »
Normal procedure in the circumstances to wind down an active search where no witnesses have come forward. Winding down the actual search on the ground though is a separate matter from the actual investigation which continued.

This group consisted of no-one who had any experience with working on behalf of exploited and/or missing children.

There were experts based in Porto, I believe, who were never called in.  And I think the CEOP assistance shipped in from Britain was less than graciously received.

I think that quite simply - they were out of their depth and too arrogant to acknowledge it.

That situation was rectified when Amaral was sacked and replaced by Rebelo who had worked the Casa Pia investigation.

But by that time the golden hours were long since gone along with Madeleine and whoever had taken her.

I cannot recall hearing of the search for a missing child being wound down a week after the disappearance.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #208 on: January 12, 2023, 12:14:37 AM »
This group consisted of no-one who had any experience with working on behalf of exploited and/or missing children.

There were experts based in Porto, I believe, who were never called in.  And I think the CEOP assistance shipped in from Britain was less than graciously received.

I think that quite simply - they were out of their depth and too arrogant to acknowledge it.

That situation was rectified when Amaral was sacked and replaced by Rebelo who had worked the Casa Pia investigation.

But by that time the golden hours were long since gone along with Madeleine and whoever had taken her.

I cannot recall hearing of the search for a missing child being wound down a week after the disappearance.

God's sake, not The Golden Hours again! There was a Golden Forty Five minutes already lost because neither of Madeleine's parents bothered to pick up their phones & a call the police in the first place. You always fail to mention that. So come on Brietta, you're the coordinator, it's 12:30am May 4th. What do you?
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #209 on: January 12, 2023, 12:15:08 AM »
At the libel trial Ricardo Paiva testified that even when the case had been archived due to lack of evidence against either the McCanns, or any abductor, the PJ were still conducting investigations when any new information came in.

So he did.

But did you miss the bit where he told the court all the information sent to him had been added to his files marked "NOT RELEVANT TO THE INQUIRY".
Whereupon the trial judge issued the instruction for Paiva's files to be given to the McCann lawyers.  The information contained was described as "HEARTBREAKING!" when checked as it should have been in the first instance.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....