The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner

[Wonderfulspam]

We know there is evidence against Brueckner or the Portuguese penal code would not have allowed him to be constituted Arguido.

What it is we have no idea, but having waited fifteen years for it I don't think it unreasonable to wait just a little longer.

I think you'll be waiting more than just a little while longer. Maybe for the foreseeable future, I'd venture.

[Eleanor]

Is there any evidence showing this change in the Portuguese penal code?

You mean you don't know about it?  Why does this not surprise me?

[Wonderfulspam]

Besides, it's incorrect to say we have no idea what the 'evidence' against Brueckner is.
We know it isn't dna, or forensics. So it can only really be any number of the possibilities I've previously listed on this thread.

[Wonderfulspam]

Besides, it's incorrect to say we have no idea what the 'evidence' against Brueckner is.
We know it isn't dna, or forensics. So, it can only really be any number of the possibilities I've previously listed on this thread.

Possible evidence against Brueckner:

Buschings Testimony, a confession?

The Undertaker's Testimony, Skype Chat, a confession?

A.N Other witness testimony against CB?

A wire tapped recording with Brueckner discussing involvement in Madeleine's abduction?

A video or photo of a child closely matching MM?

A diary detailing his crime?

..................

Members are welcome to suggest any other forms of evidence there could be, against CB.

[Brietta]

Is there any evidence showing this change in the Portuguese penal code?

Please allow me to post a press report from the time which will enable you to ignore what actually happened in Portugal in 2007 yet again and ask exactly the same question next time the subject arises.


Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
05 December 2007

Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.
"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

[Brietta]

You mean you don't know about it?  Why does this not surprise me?

The majority of members do know about this because it has been mentioned often enough on the forum - usually in response to Gunit's enquiry as the answer just is not taken on board.  Tiresome behaviour to put it mildly!

The point is - this amendment to the law had nothing to do with the McCanns who are only an example of precisely the abuse which was inflicted on Portuguese citizens by the police as a matter of course requiring a change in the law to occur.

Brueckner and all others falling foul of the law have benefitted and the way in which the arguido status was used against the McCanns and others confirms the necessity of the reform - which means the Portuguese have firm knowledge of evidence against Brueckner as the law now requires.

[Wonderfulspam]

The majority of members do know about this because it has been mentioned often enough on the forum - usually in response to Gunit's enquiry as the answer just is not taken on board.  Tiresome behaviour to put it mildly!

The point is - this amendment to the law had nothing to do with the McCanns who are only an example of precisely the abuse which was inflicted on Portuguese citizens by the police as a matter of course requiring a change in the law to occur.

Brueckner and all others falling foul of the law have benefitted and the way in which the arguido status was used against the McCanns and others confirms the necessity of the reform - which means the Portuguese have firm knowledge of evidence against Brueckner as the law now requires.

He's a burgling rapist & paedophile who told his mates he murdered Maddie & destroyed the evidence.

That's their evidence, firm, concrete in fact, & most conclusive, so it is.

[G-Unit]

Please allow me to post a press report from the time which will enable you to ignore what actually happened in Portugal in 2007 yet again and ask exactly the same question next time the subject arises.


Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
05 December 2007

Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.
"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

No evidence or insufficient evidence to lay charges? According to Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General it was insufficient evidence. Judging by the lack of charges against Brueckner, history may be repeating itself.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No evidence or insufficient evidence to lay charges? According to Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General it was insufficient evidence. Judging by the lack of charges against Brueckner, history may be repeating itself.

There was no evidence of sedation, there was no evidence of Madeleine’s accidental death in the apartment, there was no evidence that the parents hid the child’s body.  I’d call that a complete lack of evidence of their involvement.

[Wonderfulspam]

Please allow me to post a press report from the time which will enable you to ignore what actually happened in Portugal in 2007 yet again and ask exactly the same question next time the subject arises.


Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
05 December 2007

Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.
"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns

Yes, I'm not sure the McCanns would have agreed to that, for some unknown reason.

Anyway, if only they had, then perhaps the investigation could have been focused away from the McCanns & on to the abductor.

[Miss Taken Identity]

No evidence or insufficient evidence to lay charges? According to Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General it was insufficient evidence. Judging by the lack of charges against Brueckner, history may be repeating itself.

As the parents were the last known people to see MM alive they were, quite rightly, held under suspicion AND in Portugal they could have been held and charged with child neglect but they felt sorry for them high flying Doctors.

I read back on the case and I am still amazed at the Mccanns behavior.

[Brietta]

No evidence or insufficient evidence to lay charges? According to Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General it was insufficient evidence. Judging by the lack of charges against Brueckner, history may be repeating itself.

You can only hope so.

But please do take into account the monumental differences between 2007 and now.  Back in the day nobody was looking to make a case about any other than the McCanns.  And when investigators have chosen the wrong culprits they are just not going to find any evidence, are they.

So basically the fact there was insufficient evidence is the as a result of the total breakdown and failure of the Portuguese police to find any! not because it wasn't there.  But just because they didn't bother looking
By far too easy to 'suspect' then destroy your target and 'solve' yet another case!

Which is why Portuguese law was changed; a fact which seems to have escaped you.

The monumental difference in the present day and the missed chances and failures of 2007 is that investigators have been taking cognisance of all evidence and evaluating it no doubt ruling some in and ruling some out.  They haven't myopically decided what happened then tried to make the evidence fit.  That m'dear is the true definition of patsy which is what was done to Kate McCann without a shred of supporting evidence.

Brueckner enjoys the full protection of the law in relation to his rights as a suspect/arguido and in relation to the evidence which may be used against him.

The investigation of 2007 failed to find evidence because they didn't look for it and when they did, they dismissed it as an act of prejudice and disbelief.  I don't think any one associated with the present investigation would be capable of making the same mistakes.

So whatever is happening now have absolutely no fear of "history repeating itself".  No efficient investigative authority would allow itself to wallow in the disgrace of making the amateurish mistakes Amaral proudly lays claim to.

[Brietta]

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns

Yes, I'm not sure the McCanns would have agreed to that, for some unknown reason.

Anyway, if only they had, then perhaps the investigation could have been focused away from the McCanns & on to the abductor.

Your ignorance is really something!

Don't you remember the rogatory interviews that Rebelo was forced to leave abruptly to get back to sort out undisciplined police conduct in Portugal.
When the cat's away - the mice will play.  And that is precisely what they did.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh, wouldn't it be something if the evidence was that Bruk found MM wandering outside crying for her mummie and snatched her.... would be interesting to hear the 'parents' explanation.

[Brietta]

As the parents were the last known people to see MM alive they were, quite rightly, held under suspicion AND in Portugal they could have been held and charged with child neglect but they felt sorry for them high flying Doctors.

I read back on the case and I am still amazed at the Mccanns behavior.

Do you really not know the 'reasons' given to justify the arbitrary decision to make the McCanns arguidos.  Maybe you should bone up a wee bit, while you are making a quick check on what the thread topic actually is.

Loads of threads to get the boot into the McCanns.  This one is about Brueckner and evidence.