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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #720 on: January 08, 2025, 09:44:37 PM »
It’s you I’m afraid who will not see so eager are you to tie the alleged video to Brueckner.

Even the police aren’t connecting the alleged rape of the old woman on the tape and the 2005 rape of Diane or why try Brueckner again for a crime he had already been convicted of? Obviously having heard what Busching and co saw on the tape the police must have compared it to the testimony of Diane and found it to be different. Why else would the have charged Brueckner again?

Brueckner’s conviction for the 2005 rape had nothing to do with any tape. Further Busching alleged that the tape was left in his camper van which he sold. Odd then that no one found it in the camper and handed it to the police.
Huh???? How did the police first come to suspect CB for the crime of the 2005 rape then?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #721 on: January 08, 2025, 09:56:42 PM »
Huh???? How did the police first come to suspect CB for the crime of the 2005 rape then?

Are you also of the mind that the German prosecutors are particularly thick and sent Brueckner to be tried for a crime that he had already been convicted for?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #722 on: January 08, 2025, 10:19:30 PM »
Are you also of the mind that the German prosecutors are particularly thick and sent Brueckner to be tried for a crime that he had already been convicted for?
No, I don’t know how you have arrived at that conclusion.  Please can you answer my question?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #723 on: January 08, 2025, 10:36:03 PM »
No, I don’t know how you have arrived at that conclusion.  Please can you answer my question?

Apologies I thought you’d understand simple logic. Let me explain.

Brueckner was convicted of the 2005 rape of Diane Menkes.
Brueckner was charged with the rape of an unidentified elderly woman due to evidence allegedly seen on a tape by two of Brueckner’s criminal friends….and a British bar owner according to a British tabloid. He has consequently been cleared of that rape.

Therefore the woman on the alleged tape can’t be Menkes.

Are we agreed?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #724 on: January 08, 2025, 10:39:49 PM »
Apologies I thought you’d understand simple logic. Let me explain.

Brueckner was convicted of the 2005 rape of Diane Menkes.
Brueckner was charged with the rape of an unidentified elderly woman due to evidence allegedly seen on a tape by two of Brueckner’s criminal friends….and a British bar owner according to a British tabloid. He has consequently been cleared of that rape.

Therefore the woman on the alleged tape can’t be Menkes.

Are we agreed?
Yes, I never said the woman seen on the tape was Menkes, however without the so-called hobos coming forward and describing a shockingly violent rape seen on the video that matched closely the modus operandi of the rapist in her case, CB would never have been id’ed as a suspect. 

Are we agreed?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #725 on: January 08, 2025, 10:56:57 PM »
Yes, I never said the woman seen on the tape was Menkes, however without the so-called hobos coming forward and describing a shockingly violent rape seen on the video that matched closely the modus operandi of the rapist in her case, CB would never have been id’ed as a suspect. 

Are we agreed?

It would appear that Brusching waited over 10 years to tell the police about the alleged tape. What do you think made him to do it?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #726 on: January 08, 2025, 11:08:09 PM »
It would appear that Brusching waited over 10 years to tell the police about the alleged tape. What do you think made him to do it?
Why are you incapable on answering my question?  I cannot speak to Busching’s reasons for doing anything, I don’t know the man at all,  but what is crystal clear is that had he not described what he had seen on a video tape that CB would never have been id’ed as a suspect in DM’s rape, something which you appear not to accept for some inexplicable reason. Once CB had been id’ed as a potential rapist of old women (thanks to the hobo) evidence was subsequently discovered which nailed him as DM’s rapist.  It seems I’m not the one unable to understand simple logic around here.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #727 on: January 08, 2025, 11:47:49 PM »
Why are you incapable on answering my question?  I cannot speak to Busching’s reasons for doing anything, I don’t know the man at all,  but what is crystal clear is that had he not described what he had seen on a video tape that CB would never have been id’ed as a suspect in DM’s rape, something which you appear not to accept for some inexplicable reason. Once CB had been id’ed as a potential rapist of old women (thanks to the hobo) evidence was subsequently discovered which nailed him as DM’s rapist.  It seems I’m not the one unable to understand simple logic around here.

I’m not incapable of answering your question I simply don’t know the circumstances in which Busching gave the information. You talk of the MO of the rapist on the alleged tape matching closely with the rape of Menkes yet Brueckner didn’t tape his rape of Menkes nor, as far as I’m aware, Behan, if indeed he did rape her, so how did it ‘closely match’ the MO on the tape?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #728 on: January 09, 2025, 01:10:32 AM »
Precisely.
  • in 2005 a bestial rape was perpetrated on the resident of a seaside villa in Praia da Luz in close proximity to the apartment from which Madeleine McCann vanished
  • the Portuguese police dropped the case without apparently carrying out any sort of investigation into the chance that the MO had been replicated elsewhere.
    If they had they would likely have found in police files that the MO had been used in 2004 and dropped by the police
  • As a result the opportunity was lost to make comparison of trace evidence from both cases in the hope of building a case against the anonymous pervert and intruder.
    The evidence from the 2004 assault was destroyed and the evidence from from the 2005 rape only preserved because it seems to have been forgotten
  • Sometime many years down the line, criminal friends of Brueckner assisted his then girlfriend among others to clear the proceeds of his criminal past from his lair in Luz while he was in prison.
  • Among the evidence removed were video tapes of all sorts of depraved pornographic memorabilia
  • Eventually these were disposed of but not before the content of one was noted which showed the beating and rape of an older woman.
    This was noted possibly because the perpetrator was recognised as being Christian Brueckner.
  • But there was nothing to indicate who the aggravated rape survivor was.
    Or if such an event had even occurred as described. The BKA had only the word of two criminal accomplices of Brueckner to go on.
    So the first issue was to check the information
  • With the co-operation of the PJ the BKA were able to access police files; wherein they found reports of the torture and rape as described by the two witnesses.
  • The survivor was able to testify to the terrible events she had suffered.
  • Brueckner's DNA was recovered from the bedclothes of the scene of the rape as described by the survivor both at the time of the outrage, in her testimony to the BKA and through them to the German court.
  • So in effect the witness statements from both criminal friends of Brueckner were totally proved as they had described.
    the event had happened
    it was corroborated in police files
    it was corroborated by the survivor
    it was proven in court
    DNA identified Brueckner as the perpetrator
The catalyst for it all was the naming of Brueckner as the erstwhile anonymous pervert with a penchat for degrading women and children for his gratification.
So despite repeated appeals the German and the European courts have left him exactly where he should be behind bars.
It is extraordinary that such a creature is the darling of the internet for some.

A reminder for those who will argue black is white.
  • Information was passed to police investigators alleging the witness had watched the rape of an unidentified woman on a video no longer in the witness's possession.
  • Based only on that there was no way for the police to identify the woman so they instituted a search for reported rapes which matched the modus operandi as it had been reported to them.
  • Fortunately that information was found in Portuguese police files.
  • Fortunately the related forensic evidence had been kept and not destroyed.
There it is in a nutshell with all that is missing from the mix being the sadist rapist. Now that could have been problematic because the creature had dressed himself up for the occasion so even had the woman been able to see him she would have been unable to provide a description.

That problem was resolved when the latest hero removed his mask on camera to reveal the face of Christian Brueckner.

The rape survivor was identified but Brueckner probably never would have been without the testimony of his friends backed up by police files, Diane's testimony and forensics.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #729 on: January 09, 2025, 07:31:56 AM »
I’m not incapable of answering your question I simply don’t know the circumstances in which Busching gave the information. You talk of the MO of the rapist on the alleged tape matching closely with the rape of Menkes yet Brueckner didn’t tape his rape of Menkes nor, as far as I’m aware, Behan, if indeed he did rape her, so how did it ‘closely match’ the MO on the tape?
The fact that you refuse to accept that Busching’s account of what he said he saw on the tape led to CB being id’ed as the key suspect in DM’s rape is really very strange.  You don’t need to know the circumstances in which he gave the information, the only thing you need to understand (but clearly don’t or won’t) is that he gave an account of a rape he said he saw on the tape and of who perpetrated it, the details were very similar to details given by rape victim DM, and this led to police investigating CB and discovering that he was a match for a key piece of dna evidence found in her bed.  So when you state categorically that “Bruckner’s conviction for the 2005 rape had nothing to do with any tape” you are completely wrong. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #730 on: January 09, 2025, 07:40:09 AM »
A reminder for those who will argue black is white.
  • Information was passed to police investigators alleging the witness had watched the rape of an unidentified woman on a video no longer in the witness's possession.
  • Based only on that there was no way for the police to identify the woman so they instituted a search for reported rapes which matched the modus operandi as it had been reported to them.
  • Fortunately that information was found in Portuguese police files.
  • Fortunately the related forensic evidence had been kept and not destroyed.
There it is in a nutshell with all that is missing from the mix being the sadist rapist. Now that could have been problematic because the creature had dressed himself up for the occasion so even had the woman been able to see him she would have been unable to provide a description.

That problem was resolved when the latest hero removed his mask on camera to reveal the face of Christian Brueckner.

The rape survivor was identified but Brueckner probably never would have been without the testimony of his friends backed up by police files, Diane's testimony and forensics.
I couldn't be arsed reading any of that, but NOT GUILTY.
MwUhHHAahaAAAHHAAaaaaa......your abductor evaporated in October. Maybe get a new one? Smithman again? Goerge Harrison? Maybe get Jane to try to fit someone else up?
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #731 on: January 09, 2025, 07:53:26 AM »
I couldn't be arsed reading any of that, but NOT GUILTY.
MwUhHHAahaAAAHHAAaaaaa......your abductor evaporated in October. Maybe get a new one? Smithman again? Goerge Harrison? Maybe get Jane to try to fit someone else up?
Truly admirable work General Goad.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #732 on: January 09, 2025, 10:56:31 AM »
Truly admirable work General Goad.
Alfredo, you remain the king / queen of the barely veiled, quoted quasi-goad goad and long may that continue.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2025, 10:59:15 AM by The General »
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #733 on: January 09, 2025, 11:42:05 AM »
The fact that you refuse to accept that Busching’s account of what he said he saw on the tape led to CB being id’ed as the key suspect in DM’s rape is really very strange.  You don’t need to know the circumstances in which he gave the information, the only thing you need to understand (but clearly don’t or won’t) is that he gave an account of a rape he said he saw on the tape and of who perpetrated it, the details were very similar to details given by rape victim DM, and this led to police investigating CB and discovering that he was a match for a key piece of dna evidence found in her bed.  So when you state categorically that “Bruckner’s conviction for the 2005 rape had nothing to do with any tape” you are completely wrong.

What I find utterly preposterous is the implication that the police failed to carry out due diligence based on intelligence and evidence and the German court colluded in that by slapping a seven year rape sentence on him.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2025, 11:46:27 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: The Evidence Against Christian Brueckner
« Reply #734 on: January 09, 2025, 03:20:11 PM »
What I find utterly preposterous is the implication that the police failed to carry out due diligence based on intelligence and evidence and the German court colluded in that by slapping a seven year rape sentence on him.
Just for a second there, reading your first sentence, I thought you were referring to the PJ. And you'd be right.

« Last Edit: January 09, 2025, 03:51:33 PM by Eleanor »
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