The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.

[Brietta]

Who called him a loose cannon or a maverick? Who said he was going to be sacked? You're not exaggerating are you? One of the reasons Brueckner's lawyer is trying to get the trial moved away from Braunschweig is because he believes a fair trial isn't possible there, and has already submitted a written complaint about statements being made which prejudged the outcome. A reprimand could be issued, which could be used as the basis for an appeal if Brueckner was convicted.
https://regionalheute.de/fall-maddie-braunschweig-gar-nicht-zustaendig-braunschweig-gifhorn-goslar-harz-helmstedt-peine-salzgitter-wolfenbuettel-wolfsburg-1674209768/

Brueckner's legal team are only doing their jobs and my opinion is that they appear only to have procedural moves to use in his defence.  As they did regarding jurisdiction in the first instance regarding the arrest in Italy.

[barrier]

YAWN...........


AGAIN 
Every time you repeat your brain washing mantra (Cos its purpose is to brain wash people definitely, I will post my answer, probably adding extra bits as I go along


John, please note:   If WS can keep repeating accusations and stuff ad nausium, then I claim the right to repeatedly post my offering.   Fair is fair.  Right?



John,    Why was I not allowed to post this last night?   I have a feeling that most, if not all, of my observations are correct so the wish is that my post vanishes into the ether.  This sort of thing has happened before.   Also a virus/ malware was foisted on to my computer.   Please make sure this stops.   I don't want to have to contact David Cameron.   He acted last time, remember?

Sadie you may have missed my question regarding point 1.Who described said child matching Madeleines description ?

1.  Witness Jane Tanner saw a man hurrying off with a ?sleeping girl who matched Madeleines description.

[G-Unit]

Brueckner's legal team are only doing their jobs and my opinion is that they appear only to have procedural moves to use in his defence.  As they did regarding jurisdiction in the first instance regarding the arrest in Italy.

I'm just explaining what they are doing and why.

[Brietta]

I'm just explaining what they are doing and why.

I don't think you are explaining anything as yet again having read through the link you supplied I am left wondering if you bothered.
To me it seems you didn't or you missed out on the groundwork being being prepared for a subsequent appeal against sentence as was attempted in the European court last time round.

When supporting evidence to mount a defence is lacking all the legal team has to fall back on is procedure.  Which from my reading of the link you gave is precisely what Brueckner's legal team are doing.

They are good.  And I think whoever is paying them are getting their money's worth.

[G-Unit]

I don't think you are explaining anything as yet again having read through the link you supplied I am left wondering if you bothered.
To me it seems you didn't or you missed out on the groundwork being being prepared for a subsequent appeal against sentence as was attempted in the European court last time round.

When supporting evidence to mount a defence is lacking all the legal team has to fall back on is procedure.  Which from my reading of the link you gave is precisely what Brueckner's legal team are doing.

They are good.  And I think whoever is paying them are getting their money's worth.

Well, it is a legal matter and they can be hard to understand. We shall have to wait and see if Braunschweig have blotted their copybook enough to persuade the authorities that they have endangered the chances of a fair trial.

[jassi]

Well, it is a legal matter and they can be hard to understand. We shall have to wait and see if Braunschweig have blotted their copybook enough to persuade the authorities that they have endangered the chances of a fair trial.

Particularly for non-lawyers without a good grounding in German Law.

[Brietta]

Particularly for non-lawyers without a good grounding in German Law.

A link was provided.

When read it was clear and concise in its context.  How nice it would be if members would actually read information they have supplied instead of cherry picking what they think are the salacious bits.

It really only requires the introduction of common sense - a good read at the information contained - then it might be possible to lay claim to providing "explanations".

Maybe you would like to bump your post up to Gunit - she is after all the one laying claims of "explaining" things with as far as I know, being a non-lawyer with no grounding in German law.

[sadie]

Sadie you may have missed my question regarding point 1.Who described said child matching Madeleines description ?

1.  Witness Jane Tanner saw a man hurrying off with a ?sleeping girl who matched Madeleines description.

I don't need to find any written words; it is very plain that Jane thought that the little girl was Madeleine. 

So many different versions of * The Cutting Edge Video * are around now and i have just picked any one that has this particular scene on it (at the moment, 21/01/23 @ 1239 anyway).  May not be there in a few minutes time! 


11.00-12.35 ish Janes description of child being carried.
Crying just before 12.30

https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/videos?ssdcat=321&installsource=client&source=client&year=2015&version=22.21.8.62&templatecat=sbu_w_1000_5039_ns_retail_2&schemacat=sbu_w&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=retail&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso%3Agbr&oslang=iso%3Aeng&os=windows&cmpgn=jul21&showuninstallsurvey=1&installstatus=updated&vendorsrc=firefox&machinelocation=gb&sw=1&3in1=0&npw=0&hp=0&dsp=0&browser=firefox&cdest=client&psw=1&pds=1&annot=false&vendorConfigured=ask&o=APN12179&prt=ngc&ver=22.21.8.62&tpr=111&chn=1004670&guid=ccebe8f8-5cbf-4655-8944-9ec975308183&doi=2021-09-29&q=madeleine+mccann+cutting+edge+video&geo=en_GB&ctype=videos&ueid=3d553e2c-8832-4639-918e-747fa0cdd88f&videoId=atfDV7imHHY&p2=%5EET%5Efd00gb%5E&rch=606518&rtb=29050&askid=d338fece-fcd0-4b7e-8325-a6291f8ba8fc-0-us_gsb



Why so many PIRATE versions?   Just to spread confusion and make the case more difficult to be solved.  IMO

[jassi]

A link was provided.

When read it was clear and concise in its context.  How nice it would be if members would actually read information they have supplied instead of cherry picking what they think are the salacious bits.

It really only requires the introduction of common sense - a good read at the information contained - then it might be possible to lay claim to providing "explanations".

Maybe you would like to bump your post up to Gunit - she is after all the one laying claims of "explaining" things with as far as I know, being a non-lawyer with no grounding in German law.

The law will prevail irrespective of what lay people think. We saw this both in the Portuguese and European courts, where certain persons were sure of their opinions and were proved utterly wrong.

[barrier]

I don't need to find any written words; it is very plain that Jane thought that the little girl was Madeleine. 

So many different versions of * The Cutting Edge Video * are around now and i have just picked any one that has this particular scene on it (at the moment, 21/01/23 @ 1239 anyway).  May not be there in a few minutes time! 


11.00-12.35 ish Janes description of child being carried.
Crying just before 12.30

https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/videos?ssdcat=321&installsource=client&source=client&year=2015&version=22.21.8.62&templatecat=sbu_w_1000_5039_ns_retail_2&schemacat=sbu_w&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=retail&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso%3Agbr&oslang=iso%3Aeng&os=windows&cmpgn=jul21&showuninstallsurvey=1&installstatus=updated&vendorsrc=firefox&machinelocation=gb&sw=1&3in1=0&npw=0&hp=0&dsp=0&browser=firefox&cdest=client&psw=1&pds=1&annot=false&vendorConfigured=ask&o=APN12179&prt=ngc&ver=22.21.8.62&tpr=111&chn=1004670&guid=ccebe8f8-5cbf-4655-8944-9ec975308183&doi=2021-09-29&q=madeleine+mccann+cutting+edge+video&geo=en_GB&ctype=videos&ueid=3d553e2c-8832-4639-918e-747fa0cdd88f&videoId=atfDV7imHHY&p2=%5EET%5Efd00gb%5E&rch=606518&rtb=29050&askid=d338fece-fcd0-4b7e-8325-a6291f8ba8fc-0-us_gsb



Why so many PIRATE versions?   Just to spread confusion and make the case more difficult to be solved.  IMO

Thank you, Redwood wasn't interested so in all likely hood it was not Madeleine.

[Brietta]

I don't need to find any written words; it is very plain that Jane thought that the little girl was Madeleine. 

So many different versions of * The Cutting Edge Video * are around now and i have just picked any one that has this particular scene on it (at the moment, 21/01/23 @ 1239 anyway).  May not be there in a few minutes time! 


11.00-12.35 ish Janes description of child being carried.
Crying just before 12.30

https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/videos?ssdcat=321&installsource=client&source=client&year=2015&version=22.21.8.62&templatecat=sbu_w_1000_5039_ns_retail_2&schemacat=sbu_w&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=retail&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso%3Agbr&oslang=iso%3Aeng&os=windows&cmpgn=jul21&showuninstallsurvey=1&installstatus=updated&vendorsrc=firefox&machinelocation=gb&sw=1&3in1=0&npw=0&hp=0&dsp=0&browser=firefox&cdest=client&psw=1&pds=1&annot=false&vendorConfigured=ask&o=APN12179&prt=ngc&ver=22.21.8.62&tpr=111&chn=1004670&guid=ccebe8f8-5cbf-4655-8944-9ec975308183&doi=2021-09-29&q=madeleine+mccann+cutting+edge+video&geo=en_GB&ctype=videos&ueid=3d553e2c-8832-4639-918e-747fa0cdd88f&videoId=atfDV7imHHY&p2=%5EET%5Efd00gb%5E&rch=606518&rtb=29050&askid=d338fece-fcd0-4b7e-8325-a6291f8ba8fc-0-us_gsb



Why so many PIRATE versions?   Just to spread confusion and make the case more difficult to be solved.  IMO

Ms Tanner told investigators she saw a man walking away from the area of the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz but did not realise the significance of what she had seen until Madeleine was reported missing an hour later.

_______________________________________________________________________

"We believe that this was Madeleine being carried away by a man from the apartment, so we place great importance on having these pictures produced," Mr Mitchell said.

"Anyone who knows this man should contact our confidential phone line immediately."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


I think the only individuals who dismissed the evidence given by Jane Tanner were the Portuguese investigators of thee time.

Jane was convinced she had witnessed Madeleine's abduction and has said so.

Quite often in stranger abduction cases eye witness evidence is all that there is to go on.  Kate's evidence was rubbished as was Jane's without any real attempt made by the investigating police to find and eliminate him apart from sanctioning the use of the efit Jane worked on with an FBI artist.

Why are these elementary facts still bones of contention for some?

[sadie]

Thank you, Redwood wasn't interested so in all likely hood it was not Madeleine.

But the new team leader was.

If you remember, Redwoods idea didn't work.   The man was walking in the wrong direction from the crech.

The man Witness Jane saw was walking in the right direction from Madeleines bedroom in 5A ... and Jane very obviously thought the little girl looked like Madeleine.

Did you look at the video and see her distress, barrrier ?   Now hows about agreeing that as far as the witness Jane was concerned, the little girl WAS Madeleine.

Are you big enough to do that?

[Brietta]

The law will prevail irrespective of what lay people think. We saw this both in the Portuguese and European courts, where certain persons were sure of their opinions and were proved utterly wrong.

German law certainly did prevail in getting justice for two of Bruecker's victims.  One sees no reason for it not to do the same for the victims of the five crimes for which Brueckner has already been indicted.

The link provided by Gunit suggests to me that Brueckner's legal team having had access to all the evidence have plumped for laying the grounds for a legal challenge in the event the five cases will be found against him.

Unfortunately there are no get out clauses for victims of aggravated rape or sexual abuse to constrain their assailant.  Criminals do whatever takes their fancy - absolutely no rules there.

The mark of a civilised society is that prosecutors have to comply with legal constraints in accordance with the law of the land. Put simply ~ RULES.  My opinion is that Brueckner is being well served by his legal team and that is how it should be.

[sadie]

[sadie]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Why did my previous post come out as a blank page?   But in reality the webpage above with instructions to open the image up was there.

Someone on the forum doesn't want this page printed and showing to all.  Why?


Now it just needs a wizard to come along and show it on the previous post by me.  Why?  To wrong foot me and make me seem an idiot.   It has been done before.