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Offline Anthro

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #210 on: January 21, 2023, 04:07:37 PM »
I think she's busy stalking Mrs Fenn's niece somewhere, hoping to amass enough evidence that she kidnapped Madeleine.
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Offline Anthro

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #211 on: January 21, 2023, 04:35:45 PM »
Can anyone else get Briettas webpage picture to open up?

What is especially interesting is that Jane mentioned noticing something at the bottom of the pyjama trousers, and it turned out that there was something at the bottom of Madeleines trousers.

I believe that man was carrying Madeleine.  He was in the process of abducting her.

Hi Sadie, this is what Jane Tanner saw, and a replica of MM’s pyjamas, and Julian Totman’s daughter’s pyjamas.

Offline sadie

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #212 on: January 21, 2023, 06:04:10 PM »
Hi Sadie, this is what Jane Tanner saw, and a replica of MM’s pyjamas, and Julian Totman’s daughter’s pyjamas.

Oh Thank you Anthro.  You always come up with the goods.

Unfortunately the images on forum now seem to be engineered so that they no longer copy on to the next post in quotations.  They very often seem to be left on the page before, so it is nigh impossible to compare .  At least these posts ae adjacent.


As anyone can see there are frills at the bottom of the pjays from Janes sighting recollections and frills at the bottom of the actual copy pjays.   That is a big pointer to me that Jane very likely was correct in that she saw Madeleine being whisked away.

The harsh contrast of colours on Dr Totmans daughters pjays, bright red against pale blue, would have been so great as to have been the main defining feature that Jane would have remembered.  She did not remember that.

It is clear that Jane did NOT see Dr Totman go by with his daughter.


Jane saw Madeleine being abducted, almost without any doubt. 

It was almost immediately after Gerry left the apartment, but before Matt checked.   Madeleine was gone before Matt checked and the open shutters allowing the yellow street lights to shine through blue curtains giving a green glow verifies this.

Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #213 on: January 21, 2023, 06:08:54 PM »
Oh Thank you Anthro.  You always come up with the goods.

Unfortunately the images on forum now seem to be engineered so that they no longer copy on to the next post in quotations.  They very often seem to be left on the page before, so it is nigh imposible to compare images


As anyone can see there are frills at the bottom of the pjays from Janes sighting recollections and frills at the bottom of the actual copy pjays.   That is a big pointer to me that Jane very likely was correct in that she saw Madeleine being whisked away.

The harsh contrast of colours on Dr Totmans daughters pjays, bright red against pale blue, would have been so great as to have been the main defining feature that Jane would have remembered.  She did not remember that.

It is clear that Jane did NOT see Dr Totman go by with his daughter.


Jane saw Madeleine being abducted, almost without any doubt. 

It was almost immediately after Gerry left the apartment, but before Matt checked.   Madeleine was gone before Matt checked and the open shutters allowing the yellow street lights to shine through blue curtains giving a green glow verifies this.

Until it is proven otherwise and I don't think it ever will be, I agree that Jane witnessed Madeleine being abducted.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #214 on: January 21, 2023, 06:45:50 PM »
Until it is proven otherwise and I don't think it ever will be, I agree that Jane witnessed Madeleine being abducted.

So, the abductor was hiding inside the apartment during Gerry's check. Also, it wasn't Brueckner, unless he was wearing a wig. So, Brueckner's accomplice maybe?
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Offline sadie

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #215 on: January 21, 2023, 07:14:16 PM »
So, the abductor was hiding inside the apartment during Gerry's check. Also, it wasn't Brueckner, unless he was wearing a wig. So, Brueckner's accomplice maybe?

Abductor could have been hiding in flat during Gerry's check, but unlikely.

Immediately after a children check was the safest and most  likely time for an abduction.   Gerry left and watcher /director on balcony immedately opposite gave the go ahaead. IMO

Unknown to the watcher/director, Gerry was still chatting  with Jez.   Given easy entrance (with a front door key?) the abduction could have taken place in less than 2 minutes IMO.

Jane just happened to be walking past.


Seems likely that Brueckner may have worn a wig cos a bundle of wigs and make up was found in Breuckners villa, was it not?    However, owning those wigs does not prove the man was Brueckner.  As far as I am concerned, that is an open question atm.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #216 on: January 21, 2023, 08:08:28 PM »
Abductor could have been hiding in flat during Gerry's check, but unlikely.

Immediately after a children check was the safest and most  likely time for an abduction.   Gerry left and watcher /director on balcony immedately opposite gave the go ahaead. IMO

Unknown to the watcher/director, Gerry was still chatting  with Jez.   Given easy entrance (with a front door key?) the abduction could have taken place in less than 2 minutes IMO.

Jane just happened to be walking past.


Seems likely that Brueckner may have worn a wig cos a bundle of wigs and make up was found in Breuckners villa, was it not?    However, owning those wigs does not prove the man was Brueckner.  As far as I am concerned, that is an open question atm.

But what about the window? No, I'm sorry sadie, but this all sounds a bit *** to me.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #217 on: January 21, 2023, 10:26:44 PM »


Please explain this comment Sadie.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #218 on: January 21, 2023, 10:56:07 PM »
Abductor could have been hiding in flat during Gerry's check, but unlikely.

Immediately after a children check was the safest and most  likely time for an abduction.   Gerry left and watcher /director on balcony immedately opposite gave the go ahaead. IMO

Unknown to the watcher/director, Gerry was still chatting  with Jez.   Given easy entrance (with a front door key?) the abduction could have taken place in less than 2 minutes IMO.

Jane just happened to be walking past.


Seems likely that Brueckner may have worn a wig cos a bundle of wigs and make up was found in Breuckners villa, was it not?    However, owning those wigs does not prove the man was Brueckner.  As far as I am concerned, that is an open question atm.

At one stage there was a suggestion that Brueckner might have worked with an accomplice https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8739347/Madeleine-McCann-chief-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-ACCOMPLICE.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #219 on: January 22, 2023, 12:33:05 AM »
According to this, information, caveat press and google translate.

https://regionalheute.de/fall-maddie-braunschweig-gar-nicht-zustaendig-braunschweig-gifhorn-goslar-harz-helmstedt-peine-salzgitter-wolfenbuettel-wolfsburg-1674209768/

Maddie is still wanted

Then 3-year-old Madeleine "Maddie" McCann disappeared from a hotel room in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007. The girl is still being searched for. In Germany, too, a public search is still being carried out by the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office. A reward of 10,000 euros is being offered for information leading to the investigation of the crime. The BKA takes tips on 0 611/55-18444 or any other police station.


Sounds like German thinking has changed.  No longer are they saying that Madeleine is dead.

I wonder if SY have finally shared their thinking and facts with the BKA.  Have the BKA now seen the video which I believe shows a very much living Madeleine in 2012 ?    And read the multitude of facts that few are aware of ?

Sounds promising to me

Offline sadie

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #220 on: January 22, 2023, 01:12:13 AM »
But what about the window? No, I'm sorry sadie, but this all sounds a bit *** to me.

Purleaze, WS.  This has been gone through at least 6 times by me personally and by others over and over.  There were at least 6 sensible reasons why the window was open:

1)  to have someone outside who could give verbal support to the lifter and pass things such as chloroform through the window
2)  that someone only had to take on step back in the walkway and he could be in visual contact with the watcher on the balcony across the road.  A signal could easily be given such as a glowing fag or even a torch beam, if someone was coming.  With the window open the lifter had two choices of rapid exit .  Either through the front door or out through the window.
3)  To clear the bedroom of any scent of Chloroform
4)  To give the impression that Madeleine had left of her own volition
5)  If a key had been "lent" to the perps, then having an open window would persuade the investigators that the window was the means of entry and let the O.C. staff member key-lender off the hook.   The window wasn't used for entry or exit; the front door was
6)   I can't recall any other reasons that the window was open but there were at least another.


now WS you have the possibilities and likelyhoods.

Please DO NOT WASTE ANY MORE TIME repeatedly re-asking this question.   



Annoying and time wasting, but it did give me an opportunity to tell people new to studying the case, the likely reasons that the window was open.   So thankyou for that  (&^&

You scored an own goal, didn't ya!

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #221 on: January 22, 2023, 06:31:12 AM »

The watcher, the lifter, the anesthestatist & the getaway driver. All sounds rather convoluted to me.
Where does the murderer fit in to all this?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #222 on: January 22, 2023, 06:33:04 AM »
At one stage there was a suggestion that Brueckner might have worked with an accomplice https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8739347/Madeleine-McCann-chief-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-ACCOMPLICE.html

Yeah. He had about 3 accomplices apparently.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.
« Reply #223 on: January 22, 2023, 07:41:18 AM »
The BKA headquarters is in Wiesbaden. They also have branches in Berlin and Meckenheim. HCW is the public prosecutor in Braunschweig. Ute Lindemann is the chief prosecutor, presumably at the headquarters in Wiesbaden. And ranked higher than Hans Wolters.

Ute Lindemann is the head of the department for sexual offenses at the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig.
https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/salzgitter/article231340930/Expertin-So-haeufig-ist-sexuelle-Belaestigung.html

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Offline Anthro

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« Reply #224 on: January 22, 2023, 08:56:35 AM »
Ute Lindemann is the head of the department for sexual offenses at the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig.
https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/salzgitter/article231340930/Expertin-So-haeufig-ist-sexuelle-Belaestigung.html
Yes, you are correct. Dr Lindemann is currently stationed in Brünswick. She used to be at Wiesbaden headquarters.