The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.

[sadie]

The watcher, the lifter, the anesthestatist & the getaway driver. All sounds rather convoluted to me.
Where does the murderer fit in to all this?

The list I produced shows some of the sensible reasons why the window might have been open.   It s unlikely that all of the reasons shown actually happened, but a selection is likely.



The Balcony Watcher was also the get away driver. 
Madeleine quite possibly knew the lifter, or else she was deliberately overcome by chloroform without waking
The person outside the window was Tannerman.   

Immediately the lifter had done the job, Madeleines head was on the lifters right arm.  S/he passed Madeleine over to Tannerman who walked away with her.   
Madeleines head was then on Tannermans left arm as WITNESS Jane noted.   The lifter had scarpered.
So there werre two people at that stage.

Meanwhile the balcony watcher had exited Block 6 at the rear, walked thru the garden gate and got into the get away vehicle on the car park there.

He had seen Gerry going down the rear steps and he thought that Gerry was back at the table.   He had the shock of his life when he saw Gerry chatting with Jez in his path.   He shot off in the opposite southward direction

Meanwhile anxious Tannerman, holding Madeleine, was waiting in the bushes for a car that was expected to arrive immediately, but didn't.   In panick he set off to walk the alleyway route to where the car had been parked, to find it gone. 
1)  He went in an Easterly direction, not south easterly into Block 6 as Dr Totman must have done.. 
2)  As a father,  Dr Totman was an experienced carrier of children and he would never have used the cross arms carrying position that Tannerman did; too exhausting.  Tannerman had no children.
3)  The pyjamas didn't match up either,

Tannerman, carrying Madeleine, was not Dr Totman  carrying his daughter.   


WITNESS Jane saw Madeleine being abducted.  Little doubt about it.


There is no murderer.  Madeleine still lives and if the perp is wise he will keep her alive and well looked after, then he cannot be done on a murder charge.   He will also maintain that she was found wandering and he rescued her.



Now I have been able to count since I was little and I make the people involved just 3 people, NOT 4, ...  4 people is a downright lie. 

Why is it so important ti you that people do not believe that Madeleine was abducted?

Just why?   Please give a sensible answer



.... And NEVER again say that I said there were 4 people involved.   Get yourself sorted or pull out. 


All IMO

[G-Unit]

The list I produced shows some of the sensible reasons why the window might have been open.   It s unlikely that all of the reasons shown actually happened, but a selection is likely.



The Balcony Watcher was also the get away driver. 
Madeleine quite possibly knew the lifter, or else she was deliberately overcome by chloroform without waking
The person outside the window was Tannerman.   

Immediately the lifter had done the job, Madeleines head was on the lifters right arm.  S/he passed Madeleine over to Tannerman who walked away with her.   
Madeleines head was then on Tannermans left arm as WITNESS Jane noted.   The lifter had scarpered.
So there werre two people at that stage.

Meanwhile the balcony watcher had exited Block 6 at the rear, walked thru the garden gate and got into the get away vehicle on the car park there.

He had seen Gerry going down the rear steps and he thought that Gerry was back at the table.   He had the shock of his life when he saw Gerry chatting with Jez in his path.   He shot off in the opposite southward direction

Meanwhile anxious Tannerman, holding Madeleine, was waiting in the bushes for a car that was expected to arrive immediately, but didn't.   In panick he set off to walk the alleyway route to where the car had been parked, to find it gone. 
1)  He went in an Easterly direction, not south easterly into Block 6 as Dr Totman must have done.. 
2)  As a father,  Dr Totman was an experienced carrier of children and he would never have used the cross arms carrying position that Tannerman did; too exhausting.  Tannerman had no children.
3)  The pyjamas didn't match up either,

Tannerman, carrying Madeleine, was not Dr Totman  carrying his daughter.   


WITNESS Jane saw Madeleine being abducted.  Little doubt about it.


There is no murderer.  Madeleine still lives and if the perp is wise he will keep her alive and well looked after, then he cannot be done on a murder charge.   He will also maintain that she was found wandering and he rescued her.



Now I have been able to count since I was little and I make the people involved just 3 people, NOT 4, ...  4 people is a downright lie. 

Why is it so important ti you that people do not believe that Madeleine was abducted?

Just why?   Please give a sensible answer



.... And NEVER again say that I said there were 4 people involved.   Get yourself sorted or pull out. 


All IMO

Totman stayed in Block 4, why would he go into Block 6?

Was there access to the rear car park behind Block 6 via the public areas, or do you think your 'watcher' was occupying one of the flats?

[Brietta]

The list I produced shows some of the sensible reasons why the window might have been open.   It s unlikely that all of the reasons shown actually happened, but a selection is likely.



The Balcony Watcher was also the get away driver. 
Madeleine quite possibly knew the lifter, or else she was deliberately overcome by chloroform without waking
The person outside the window was Tannerman.   

Immediately the lifter had done the job, Madeleines head was on the lifters right arm.  S/he passed Madeleine over to Tannerman who walked away with her.   
Madeleines head was then on Tannermans left arm as WITNESS Jane noted.   The lifter had scarpered.
So there werre two people at that stage.

Meanwhile the balcony watcher had exited Block 6 at the rear, walked thru the garden gate and got into the get away vehicle on the car park there.

He had seen Gerry going down the rear steps and he thought that Gerry was back at the table.   He had the shock of his life when he saw Gerry chatting with Jez in his path.   He shot off in the opposite southward direction

Meanwhile anxious Tannerman, holding Madeleine, was waiting in the bushes for a car that was expected to arrive immediately, but didn't.   In panick he set off to walk the alleyway route to where the car had been parked, to find it gone. 
1)  He went in an Easterly direction, not south easterly into Block 6 as Dr Totman must have done.. 
2)  As a father,  Dr Totman was an experienced carrier of children and he would never have used the cross arms carrying position that Tannerman did; too exhausting.  Tannerman had no children.
3)  The pyjamas didn't match up either,

Tannerman, carrying Madeleine, was not Dr Totman  carrying his daughter.   


WITNESS Jane saw Madeleine being abducted.  Little doubt about it.


There is no murderer.  Madeleine still lives and if the perp is wise he will keep her alive and well looked after, then he cannot be done on a murder charge.   He will also maintain that she was found wandering and he rescued her.



Now I have been able to count since I was little and I make the people involved just 3 people, NOT 4, ...  4 people is a downright lie. 

Why is it so important ti you that people do not believe that Madeleine was abducted?

Just why?   Please give a sensible answer



.... And NEVER again say that I said there were 4 people involved.   Get yourself sorted or pull out. 


All IMO

I think there are loads of anomalies of which we are aware and I imagine there may just as many if not more, of which we are unaware.

For example, I find the account from the
OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS - GEORGE BURKE BROOKS LAGOS MARINA SIGHTINGS  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm
to be quite disturbing. Given that it seems a witness report detailing extraordinary behaviour involving a small child which those investigating Madeleine's disappearance appear to have disregarded.

The account only appears in the police files because Rebelo tried to check it out, possibly as a result of information from the McCann family.

"Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation."

There you have it: two eye witness reports of what could have been Madeleine McCann neither of which were given any credence by the police investigators.

One could be forgiven for wondering ~ did the investigating police really want this child to be found.

[Brietta]

Totman stayed in Block 4, why would he go into Block 6?

Was there access to the rear car park behind Block 6 via the public areas, or do you think your 'watcher' was occupying one of the flats?

My opinion - Totman wasn't witness to anything unless he had inadvertently bumped into Tannerman en route and I'm sure had he done so, Scotland Yard already know all about it!

One forgets so many snippets of information though.  Take the other eye witness account of a distressed little girl being dragged along in the wee small hours after Madeleine's disappearance by a man and a woman

She was described as resembling Madeleine.
The man was described as vicious-looking.
It was dark, around 6.00 am with only that group and the witness out and about.
The observer thought the demeanour of the pair was highly suspicious. But at that time he did not know about Madeleine.
Their direction of travel was towards the Lagos marina and railway station.
The witness informed the police, but they didn't take the incident seriously.

• time given (6.00am) 
• the description given (a toddler aged under 4)
• the alarm engendered in the witness as a result of the circumstances and the general threatening impression given by the accompanying male

Bearing in mind that information like that must surely have been highly significant in the area where they were looking for a missing child.

Doesn't really appear to have attracted too much interest at the time though.  Quite extraordinary.

[sadie]

Totman stayed in Block 4, why would he go into Block 6?

Was there access to the rear car park behind Block 6 via the public areas, or do you think your 'watcher' was occupying one of the flats?

If Totman stayed in block 4 then he was walking in totally the opposite direction to Tannerman.   Block 4 was way to the west of the Tannerman sighting.  He was coming from East to West.

WITNESS Jane Tanner saw Tannerman walk from west to east.   The opposite direction,

This proves that Totman should NOT be confused with Janes sighting of Tannerman likely carrying Madleine.



Thank you Gunit.   Onc again you have helped me prove something.   Well done   

[G-Unit]

If Totman stayed in block 4 then he was walking in totally the opposite direction to Tannerman.   Block 4 was way to the west of the Tannerman sighting.  He was coming from East to West.

WITNESS Jane Tanner saw Tannerman walk from west to east.   The opposite direction,

This proves that Totman should NOT be confused with Janes sighting of Tannerman likely carrying Madleine.



Thank you Gunit.   Onc again you have helped me prove something.   Well done   

No need to thank me, just try to remember what I say because I've given you this information before. I assume you
don't know if the garden gates at the back of Block 6 could be used by non-residents, as you've ignored that question (again). As there's no actual evidence that any of your cast of characters existed I don't think you can claim to have proved anything.

[Brietta]

No need to thank me, just try to remember what I say because I've given you this information before. I assume you
don't know if the garden gates at the back of Block 6 could be used by non-residents, as you've ignored that question (again). As there's no actual evidence that any of your cast of characters existed I don't think you can claim to have proved anything.

Heri provided a comprehensive portfolio of photographs of Luz ~ I wonder if he took any which would resolve your question regarding garden gates at the back of Block 6.
I seem to remember SIL trying out a new camera and posting photos on the forum.  You might get lucky there.

Just there is so much information posted on the forum then immediately forgotten that my interest was piqued somewhat by a reference you made which nobody even picked up on at the time. https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8487.msg424645#msg424645

The 2008 report in the files re the Trevor Francis sighting of a child he was pretty sure was Madeleine was quite compelling.

Do you have any idea what steps were taken to check it out?

[G-Unit]

Heri provided a comprehensive portfolio of photographs of Luz ~ I wonder if he took any which would resolve your question regarding garden gates at the back of Block 6.
I seem to remember SIL trying out a new camera and posting photos on the forum.  You might get lucky there.

Just there is so much information posted on the forum then immediately forgotten that my interest was piqued somewhat by a reference you made which nobody even picked up on at the time. https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8487.msg424645#msg424645

The 2008 report in the files re the Trevor Francis sighting of a child he was pretty sure was Madeleine was quite compelling.

Do you have any idea what steps were taken to check it out?

I'm asking Sadie because her watcher and getaway driver theory can't work if the car park can't be reached through those gates.

Venezuela? Why is that of interest? There were thousands of reported sightings, many of them based on the flimsiest of reasons. All those reporting them were convinced they had seen Madeleine.

[Brietta]

I'm asking Sadie because her watcher and getaway driver theory can't work if the car park can't be reached through those gates.

Venezuela? Why is that of interest? There were thousands of reported sightings, many of them based on the flimsiest of reasons. All those reporting them were convinced they had seen Madeleine.

Oh, I see.

I would have thought the simplest approach if you disagree would have been to check out your supposition and make your argument refuting Sadie's theory if you could, not suggesting Sadie does the research for you.

However, everyone has their own debating style.

[Myster]

I'm asking Sadie because her watcher and getaway driver theory can't work if the car park can't be reached through those gates.

Venezuela? Why is that of interest? There were thousands of reported sightings, many of them based on the flimsiest of reasons. All those reporting them were convinced they had seen Madeleine.

Which gates are you talking about?

A bird's eye view of Block 6... rotate the view by pressing down your CTRL key simultaneously with the left mouse button, then move the mouse around to see if you can find any gate(s) to the southern car park (top of screen)...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0890523,-8.7308561,68a,35y,122.79h,31.41t/data=!3m1!1e3

Unless you've got a still photo of said gates to post instead?

[Brietta]

I'm asking Sadie because her watcher and getaway driver theory can't work if the car park can't be reached through those gates.

Venezuela? Why is that of interest? There were thousands of reported sightings, many of them based on the flimsiest of reasons. All those reporting them were convinced they had seen Madeleine.

I would imagine professionals use a systemic approach to reported sightings of a missing child whether in thousands - in hundreds - or in single figures - I am sure one of which is not to disregard them all on the basis of volume or prejudice.

Certainly Leicestershire Constabulary took Trevor Francis' statement as being anything but "the flimsiest of reasons" classing it for High Priority Action.
From : Prior Stuart
Date : 9th June 2008 19.34
To : Ricardo Manuel Goncalves Paiva
Cc : Baraclough Nigel
Subject : FW : High priority Action 3895 re possible sighting of Madeleine McCann.
Sensitivity : Confidential.
And having read the hand written witness statement it is my opinion that there should indeed have been investigative "action" carried out on what at that time remained an active inquiry into a child's disappearance.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TREVOR_FRANCIS.htm

Any idea what happened to this detailed and concise evidence concerning a direct sea route from from Portugal. 
Operation Grange seem to have inherited responsibility for sightings when they opened their inquiry ~ quite amazing how many of the sightings revealed under FOI did not release details into the public domain.  Read into that what you will.
Snip
Potential sightings of the British three-year old – snatched in 2007 in Portugal – total 8,685 across 101 countries and territories, a Freedom of Information request for the figures showed.
Many of the sightings were collated by Portuguese cops and stamped “NFA” – No Further Action – as they believed the youngster was dead. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1989265/world-maddie-hunt-8685-potential-sightings-of-madeleine-mccann-in-101-countries/
100. VENEZUELA: May 2008: Brit Trevor Francis said he saw a girl like Madeleine with a blemish in her eye on the Island of Margarita.

[G-Unit]

Which gates are you talking about?

A bird's eye view of Block 6... rotate the view by pressing down your CTRL key simultaneously with the left mouse button, then move the mouse around to see if you can find any gate(s) to the southern car park (top of screen)...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0890523,-8.7308561,68a,35y,122.79h,31.41t/data=!3m1!1e3

Unless you've got a still photo of said gates to post instead?

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0886314,-8.7303574,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk_ML80cmyIU1GKAphda6OQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[G-Unit]

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0886314,-8.7303574,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk_ML80cmyIU1GKAphda6OQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Block 6 is across the road from Block 5.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/zzpdlmap.jpg

[Brietta]

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0886314,-8.7303574,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk_ML80cmyIU1GKAphda6OQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

You've lost me a bit there.  I see a public footpath continuing towards another block of flats.

[Myster]

You've lost me a bit there.  I see a public footpath continuing towards another block of flats.

Sadie insists that there was a watcher on this (1st floor or higher?) balcony to a Block 6 apartment...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0884853,-8.7303983,3a,49.3y,320.36h,97.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3twElVDNGxJwpjnd47Musg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Any watcher would first have to gain access via the garden gate to that apartment, which is highly unlikely imo.  Far too complicated a theory!  Why just not watch 5A from street level.