The Evidence Madeleine Was Taken In A Criminal Act By A Stranger.

[sadie]

None of which means it was possible for anyone to exit into the gardens behind Block 6. If it was possible then Berry would have used that route.

Well  Neil Berry and Raj Balu were out on that Big semi-circular balcony when they heard Gerry shouting as he searched.   They went down to discuss it with him  IIRC.   Are you suggesting that they walked all the long way round?

I think not, cos Gerry was so panicky he would have rushed off searching in the time that took



Please correct me if I am remembering the fact that they went down to talk with Gerry incorrectly.   There's a darling.

[G-Unit]

Well  Neil Berry and Raj Balu were out on that Big semi-circular balcony when they heard Gerry shouting as he searched.   They went down to discuss it with him  IIRC.   Are you suggesting that they walked all the long way round?

I think not, cos Gerry was so panicky he would have rushed off searching in the time that took



Please correct me if I am remembering the fact that they went down to talk with Gerry incorrectly.   There's a darling.

Neither of them said in the police statements available that they heard Gerry shouting.

[sadie]

Where did we get to on the possibilities for TEMWTIACABAS?


1) The McCanns claim Madeleine was abducted.

2) An allegedly open window, that had Kate's prints on it.

3) Jane Tanner's sighting of a man, whom the police are almost certain was not Madeleine's abductor.


Please feel free to add to the list of what possible evidence the police could have, that MWTIACABAS.

1)  The Mccanns know Madeleine was abducted.   Proving it is the problem. 
The video that I sent to OG showing a little girl who, with almost 100% certainty, was Madeleine, dancing at a Carnival event, may have convinced them.  The very special thing about it was that it was exactly, EXACTLY, where from my research, I had concluded that she was likely to be.

An area less than the size of a football pitch out of the whole World and she was there.   There had been talk about Madeleine having changed as she grew older and that she was now out and about.   I decided to look at masked Carnivals etc in this special area and voila she was at the most important part.   This was in 2012 and she wasn't masked but wore a big hat that hid her hair except for a tiny wisp.

2)  You have seen the situation near Madeleines window.   A window wall with a long bed then a chair with space between for just one foot possibly.   Any one looking out would have had to have placed her hand on the window for support and even then have been relatively unsupported

3)  It appears that the only one that thought Dr Totman was WITNESS Janes man, was Andy Redwood.   What a bloomer (imo) to make, if we know the full story.    He was walking in the same direction as Jane and she would have followed him for quite a distance.    Andy retired soon after.


Now WS, I have explained the situation to you

PURLEAZE pack it in on these scores.  They have been explained to you (over and over actually) and now personally.   They should remain in your head for ever now.

Pack it in.

[sadie]

Neither of them said in the police statements available that they heard Gerry shouting.

They said it somewhere.   

[sadie]

Neither of them said in the police statements available that they heard Gerry shouting.

Mysteriously, IIRC, the Neil Berry and the Raj Balu statements both went missing.   I wonder why ?

Later statements seem to have been given the ole " treatment "  because when you open them up, you see that the webpage is no longer secure, no *s* on the http !   Also, the padlock has an orange scoring out line.  Information on that page has been tampered with, it seems.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm .... www missing!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

I am a computer ignoramus , but I do wonder why Neilo Berrys  statement doesn't have the www bit in its addie like iRaj Balus does.


I rather feel that there is some dirty work afoot here Gunit.     I wonder WHY? 


To me, it seems as though someone wants tghe fact that Gerry was searching and was talking with Balu and Berry  hiding.   I wonder WHY?




Now , am I remembering it correctly that Caroline  Carpenters statement also went missing.   I wonder WHY?  

[G-Unit]

Mysteriously, IIRC, the Neil Berry and the Raj Balu statements both went missing.   I wonder why ?

Later statements seem to have been given the ole " treatment "  because when you open them up, you see that the webpage is no longer secure, no *s* on the http !   Also, the padlock has an orange scoring out line.  Information on that page has been tampered with, it seems.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm .... www missing!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

I am a computer ignoramus , but I do wonder why Neilo Berrys  statement doesn't have the www bit in its addie like iRaj Balus does.


I rather feel that there is some dirty work afoot here Gunit.     I wonder WHY? 


To me, it seems as though someone wants tghe fact that Gerry was searching and was talking with Balu and Berry  hiding.   I wonder WHY?




Now , am I remembering it correctly that Caroline  Carpenters statement also went missing.   I wonder WHY?  

I'm not into conspiracy theories, so I have no thoughts about insecure websites. I also have no idea why some people's early statements are missing. Not just Berry, Balu and Caroline Carpenter's, but Steven Carpenter and Carole Tranmer's also. My thoughts are; they weren't passed on by LP, they were mislaid by the PJ, they were withheld by the PJ for one of the reason listed, or they were withheld by request of the UK police's lawyers. Take your pick.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LAWYERS_UK_POLICE.htm

[Wonderfulspam]

I'm resurrecting this thread.
I'm interested what can be added to the list of possible evidence Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

To recap, the question is...

What possible evidence could there be, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

The evidence thus far..

1) The McCanns claim Madeleine was abducted

2) An allegedly open window, that had Kate's prints on it

3) Jane Tanner's sighting of a man, whom the police are almost certain was not Madeleine's abductor.

Anyone care to add to this list?

And remember, insults are not evidence.

[Anthro]

I'm interested what can be added to the list of possible evidence Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

To recap, the question is...

What possible evidence could there be, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

The evidence thus far..



1) The McCanns claim Madeleine was abducted

2) An allegedly open window, that had Kate's prints on it

3) Jane Tanner's sighting of a man, whom the police are almost certain was not Madeleine's abductor.

Anyone care to add to this list?

And remember, insults are not evidence.

Büsching?

[Wonderfulspam]

Büsching?

No sorry. I forgot to mention that this evidence must have existed pre 2010. Because Redwood told us circa 2010 that the expert investigators believed, on the evidence, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
Buschings testimony belongs on the evidence against Christian Brueckner thread.

[Anthro]

No sorry. I forgot to mention that this evidence must have existed pre 2010. Because Redwood told us circa 2010 that the expert investigators believed, on the evidence, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
Buschings testimony belongs on the evidence against Christian Brueckner thread.

Oops! Okay.

[sadie]

No sorry. I forgot to mention that this evidence must have existed pre 2010. Because Redwood told us circa 2010 that the expert investigators believed, on the evidence, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.
Buschings testimony belongs on the evidence against Christian Brueckner thread.

Something badly wrong with your dates here WS.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/


Met Police logo

Operation Grange

On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.
Investigative review

The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
Ongoing investigation

In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.
Contact details for Operation Grange

Ways to contact us:

By phone: 0207 321 9251

By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk

[Wonderfulspam]

Something badly wrong with your dates here WS.

https://www.met.police.uk/notices/met/operation-grange/


Met Police logo

Operation Grange

On 12 May 2011 the Met announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the Met’s jurisdiction.
Investigative review

The Met’s involvement, known as Operation Grange, is led by the Specialist Crime Command unit and involved, in the first instance, an ‘investigative review’.  This was a review of all of the investigations that had been previously conducted into the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
Ongoing investigation

In July 2013 the status of the Met’s enquiries changed to that of an investigation, working with the Portuguese authorities to pursue specific lines of enquiry.

The Portuguese authorities retain the lead and the Met continues to work in support of them.

The Home Office continues to fund Operation Grange.
Contact details for Operation Grange

Ways to contact us:

By phone: 0207 321 9251

By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk

2011, yes sorry, one year out. I was only going from memory, it was late & I'd taken my sedative drugs ready for bedtime.  Anyway, as of 2011, we're expected to believe that the MET found EMWTIACABAS. The question remains, what possible EMWTIACABAS could the police have discovered?

1) The McCanns claim Madeleine was abducted.

2) An allegedly open window, that had Kate's prints on it.

3) Jane Tanner's sighting of a man, whom the police are almost certain was not Madeleine's abductor.

I'm going to add....

4) 8000 sightings of Madeleine

5) Helpful information from psychics

6) Various, dubious confessions e.g Raymond Hewlett

[misty]

I'm resurrecting this thread.
I'm interested what can be added to the list of possible evidence Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

To recap, the question is...

What possible evidence could there be, that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger.

The evidence thus far..

1) The McCanns claim Madeleine was abducted

2) An allegedly open window, that had Kate's prints on it

3) Jane Tanner's sighting of a man, whom the police are almost certain was not Madeleine's abductor.

Anyone care to add to this list?

And remember, insults are not evidence.

Smithman. (Gerry was in Tapas bar at time of this sighting)

PJ believed Madeleine had been abducted 7/5/07
https://www.portugalresident.com/the-pj-give-details-of-suspect/     (who was that suspect?)

[jassi]

Not sure that Smithman is evidence that Madeleine was taken by a stranger, only evidence  that some as yet unidentified man was seen carrying a small child.

[misty]

Not sure that Smithman is evidence that Madeleine was taken by a stranger, only evidence  that some as yet unidentified man was seen carrying a small child.

So Smithman is only evidence if he's Gerry carrying a (dead) Madeleine but not if he's an unidentified man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine? Righty-ho...