Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[Gadfly1.3]

Leicestershire Constabulary

Witness statement

Testimony: Jeremy Wilkins

From what I remember, the conversation happened right there on the pathway but I am not certain who was located exactly where.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Given that Mr Wilkins provided a map, and a statement, that were taken in May 2007, that will be the primary evidence if this case ever arrives at Court.  That is why witness statements, and maps, are prepared at the time.  Memory becomes less concrete with time.  If Mr Wilkins is ever called as a witness, he would have to answer whether or not he trusts his own recollection -- that he created a detailed map (in his own hand) -- to corroborate.  That's all Brietta.

[sadie]

I'll try and deal with things raised in relation to Tanner one by one.

First, Jeremy Wilkins' statement re: Gerry's location:

"I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment."  May 7th 2007.



Furthermore Jane corroborates this from around 1.20 of the documentary Madeleine Was Here, when they made a mini-reconstruction at the behest of the private investigators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY

Jane's recollection puts him within 2 metres of the gate.



Finally, just to remove any doubt -- Jeremy actually drew the location -- which is clearly by the gate, here:



As noted earlier, these witnesses place Gerry within 2 metres of the gate.

To be more precise where Gerry and Jez chatted on the alleyway corner is 6 metres away from the gate and steps.  That is fairly close.

But the actual place was on the alleyway corner ... and that it quite important.


Please notice that Jezes map that you have shown above clearly shows that they chatted at the corner of the alleyway


I haven't the time and energy to keep going over all this, so I am going to leave it there atm.

[Gadfly1.3]

Sadie, even in the video, Gerry takes four steps from the gate, and is almost in exactly the position she stated he was in.  He was less than two metres from the gate, according to Jayne, and that is a fact (that Jayne noted he was less than two metres from the gate). The image I displayed shows the gate in the background.

Re-watch it if you wish and cross-reference it with Jeremy Wilkins' account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY

Two witnesses place Gerry next to the gate.  Fact.  I'm not saying that it is fact that he was there, but the witnesses certainly place him there via a reconstructed map/ reconstructed sequence of events on the night during the Madeleine Was Here documentary.

[Brietta]

Given that Mr Wilkins provided a map, and a statement, that were taken in May 2007, that will be the primary evidence if this case ever arrives at Court.  That is why witness statements, and maps, are prepared at the time.  Memory becomes less concrete with time.  If Mr Wilkins is ever called as a witness, he would have to answer whether or not he trusts his own recollection -- that he created a detailed map (in his own hand) -- to corroborate.  That's all Brietta.

You see the position he has indicated as being at the foot of the stairs.  Have I got that right?

I see it as right at the entrance to the pathway.

Beauty may indeed be in the eye of the beholder ... and I am sure Jeremy Wilkins would have had no problems if called as a witness in court.

[Gadfly1.3]

You see the position he has indicated as being at the foot of the stairs.  Have I got that right?

I see it as right at the entrance to the pathway.

Beauty may indeed be in the eye of the beholder ... and I am sure Jeremy Wilkins would have had no problems if called as a witness in court.

Indeed.  The initial questioning in Court would simply be:

'Mr Wilkins, on May 8th... you testified... 'Yada'... do you recognise that description..?' Yes/No
'And also on that day, you produced a map.. do you recognise that map..?' Yes/No
'Do you still believe they are an accurate representation of your memory of the sequence of events on that night..?' Yes/No

I'm sure, if he has ever to be called as a witness, he will clarify this issue for us.

[sadie]

Gadfly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY



Go to the video.  I suggest you start at about 0.54 and look carefully at 1.45. 

You will see Jane clearly indicating where Gerry and Jez stood chatting.  It was on the kerb at the corner of the alleyway

Now go to Google earth.    Zoom in and measure the distance.

It is about 6 metres.   Not far but the fact that they stood at that alleyway entrance explains many things that would be difficult to understand had they stood on the pathway near the steps



I find it difficult to understand why you showed the image that you did from that video.  How much better had you shown the inmage at 1.45
Did you make a mistake ... or were you trying to make things look otherwise to what they actually were ... just to further your argument?

Jane is very positive about where they stood ... and she should know
As Jez should know too  ... and clearly showed on his map.


Now excuse me, but I haven't the time to waste keep going over stuff that has already been analysed and sorted.


ETA:  On here, does the video work for you?  It doesn't for me.

[Brietta]

Gadfly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4aBr5PTYY

Go to the video.  I suggest you start at about 0.54 and look carefully at 1.45. 

You will see Jane clearly indicating where Gerry and Jez stood chatting.  It was on the kerb at the corner of the alleyway

Now go to Google earth.    Zoom in and measure the distance.

It is about 6 metres.   Not far but the fact that they stood at that alleyway entrance explains many things that would be difficult to understand had they stood on the pathway near the steps



I find it difficult to understand why you showed the image that you did from that video.  How much better had you shown the inmage at 1.45
Did you make a mistake ... or were you trying to make things look otherwise to what they actually were ... just to further your argument?

Jane is very positive about where they stood ... and she should know
As Jez should know too  ... and clearly showed on his map.


Now excuse me, but I haven't the time to waste keep going over stuff that has already been analysed and sorted.


ETA:  On here, does the video work for you?  It doesn't for me.

[Gadfly1.3]

The analysis is very clear, and despite the conversation, comes back to the fact that two witnesses -- Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins -- place Mr McCann on the main road near the gate.  Both contradict Mr McCann's account.

In terms of involvement with the removal of MM from 5A, Jeremy Wilkins has been ruled out by the PJ.  The British tourist has been ruled out by SY.

The image I produced, alongside the documentary, and Mr Wilkins' statements are excellent material to analyse, and unfortunately, on this issue, we differ in our analysis.  So indeed, this issue is 'sorted' in your mind -- but for many others, it is not.

[pegasus]

The analysis is very clear, and despite the conversation, comes back to the fact that two witnesses -- Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins -- place Mr McCann on the main road near the gate.  Both contradict Mr McCann's account.
(snip)

Do you have an opinion on why one person would place the chat on the other side of the road?

[Brietta]

The analysis is very clear, and despite the conversation, comes back to the fact that two witnesses -- Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins -- place Mr McCann on the main road near the gate.  Both contradict Mr McCann's account.

In terms of involvement with the removal of MM from 5A, Jeremy Wilkins has been ruled out by the PJ. The British tourist has been ruled out by SY.

The image I produced, alongside the documentary, and Mr Wilkins' statements are excellent material to analyse, and unfortunately, on this issue, we differ in our analysis.  So indeed, this issue is 'sorted' in your mind -- but for many others, it is not.

When was Jeremy Williams 'ruled in' by the PJ as anything other than a witness?

[Alfred R Jones]

The analysis is very clear, and despite the conversation, comes back to the fact that two witnesses -- Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins -- place Mr McCann on the main road near the gate.  Both contradict Mr McCann's account.

In terms of involvement with the removal of MM from 5A, Jeremy Wilkins has been ruled out by the PJ.  The British tourist has been ruled out by SY.

The image I produced, alongside the documentary, and Mr Wilkins' statements are excellent material to analyse, and unfortunately, on this issue, we differ in our analysis.  So indeed, this issue is 'sorted' in your mind -- but for many others, it is not.

How did they rule him out?  On the basis of what or whose evidence? 

[Gadfly1.3]

Do you have an opinion on why one person would place the chat on the other side of the road?

No.  No opinions.

[sadie]

1)  Jane Tanner saw Gerry and Jez talking on the corner of the alleyway.  That is plain from the video posted earlier.  Why do you persist in being inaccurate?  Are you trying to bolster myths?

Jez twice confirmed that with
2) His drawing showing, with a cross, the position that he and Gerry were chatting.  It was not effectively near the steps, it was absolutely on the corner of the alleyway.  You posted Jezes drawing and it clearly shows that.

3) his statement, saying how he was opposite the tapas reception when he saw Gerry coming down the steps to 5A  They met at the half way point between them, which is adjacent to the alleyway, or possibkly in the road in line with the alleyway entrance  Check it on Google earth.  You will find that I am right.  ETA.  I know that I found this two or three years ago when this topic came up .... and the position that Gerry and Jezet was proven in as much as no-one could find fault with my reasonings based on statents..  This has now vanished off the forum.  Gawd knows why.

So with the addition of Jane Tanners Video demonstration of the exact place, there are three different pointers to the men talking at the wider part of the pavement, at the junction of the alleyway and the road.

Please be accurate.

Say on the corner of the alleyway instead of near the steps. 

[G-Unit]

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

[pegasus]

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

The chat was almost exactly underneath the lounge window which had a climb-able sofa next to it?