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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1515 on: April 13, 2016, 05:33:02 PM »
(snip) No one is ever going to be able to prove that Jane Tanner didn't see was she said she saw.
Agreed, for the simple reason that her testimony is true.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1516 on: April 13, 2016, 05:36:23 PM »
Agreed, for the simple reason that her testimony is true.

I think so.  And I have absolutely no reason for doubting her.  Or any of them.

Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1517 on: April 13, 2016, 07:35:31 PM »
I think so.  And I have absolutely no reason for doubting her.  Or any of them.
But if like me you believe JT when she says the chat was on the west side of the road, that means anyone who states the chat was on the east side of the road must be misrembembering.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1518 on: April 13, 2016, 08:09:36 PM »
But if like me you believe JT when she says the chat was on the west side of the road, that means anyone who states the chat was on the east side of the road must be misrembembering.

I would think so, yes.  As I said, Gerry was probably crossing the road to meet Jeremy Wilkinson.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1519 on: April 13, 2016, 08:22:39 PM »
I would think so, yes.  As I said, Gerry was probably crossing the road to meet Jeremy Wilkinson.

Well it's anyone's guess really. Gerry couldn't even remember which door he was using, so not much chance of him remembering which side of the road he was on.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1520 on: April 13, 2016, 08:43:08 PM »
I would think so, yes.  As I said, Gerry was probably crossing the road to meet Jeremy Wilkinson.
But if GM ended up chatting on the same side of the street he was originally on, he must have crossed the road either not at all, or twice, or four times, or six times, it must be an even number.  Davel is good at maths and will back me up on this ;)

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1521 on: April 13, 2016, 09:02:08 PM »
But if GM ended up chatting on the same side of the street he was originally on, he must have crossed the road either not at all, or twice, or four times, or six times, it must be an even number.  Davel is good at maths and will back me up on this ;)

Isn't the suggestion that he got part way and then turned back? Two times half a crossing then, or perhaps Jez chased him back over with his buggy.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1522 on: April 13, 2016, 10:05:00 PM »
I would think so, yes.  As I said, Gerry was probably crossing the road to meet Jeremy Wilkinson.

You don't get to the tapas bar by crossing the road. Jes had a reason to cross the road to get back to his apartment at block 4.
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Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1523 on: April 13, 2016, 10:11:27 PM »
Er. Hate to remind everyone:

Hands up if you place Gerry near the garden/gate...
Jeremy Wilkins X2 statements.
Jane Tanner X2 statements.
Jane Tanner in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here
Map from Wilkins.
Map from Tanner.


Hands up if you place him on the other side of the road...
Mr Gerry McCann statement
Mr Gerry McCann in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline mercury

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1524 on: April 13, 2016, 10:20:40 PM »
That will be JT x 3 statements as the t9 group statement (which presumably ?GM took part in too) of May 10 stated the same

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1525 on: April 13, 2016, 10:23:03 PM »
Er. Hate to remind everyone:

Hands up if you place Gerry near the garden/gate...
Jeremy Wilkins X2 statements.
Jane Tanner X2 statements.
Jane Tanner in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here
Map from Wilkins.
Map from Tanner.


Hands up if you place him on the other side of the road...
Mr Gerry McCann statement
Mr Gerry McCann in the Channel Four documentary Madeleine Was Here

It is a George Mparrbe situation dear chap  ?{)(**

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Offline pegasus

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1526 on: April 13, 2016, 10:39:51 PM »
Isn't the suggestion that he got part way and then turned back? Two times half a crossing then, or perhaps Jez chased him back over with his buggy.
But then after those two half crossings and after the chat he would need to cross over to the block 6 side.  Because in the cutting edge documentary it is stated that the approach back to tapas reception was from the block 6 side of the road. So that would make 2 half crossings plus 2 whole crossings.
The maths  is  0.5 - 0.5 + 1 - 1 = 0  which gives us in imperial units the exact amount of sense it makes.

Offline Brietta

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1527 on: April 14, 2016, 12:39:20 AM »
The version according to Jane Tanner and Jez Wilkins.

Going on the balance of probability and two witnesses I think the above representation of where the two men were standing is as close as it is possible to get.

However it is an irrelevance whether they were there - in the middle of the road - or at the other side of the road. 

The important personages in this are Jane Tanner and the man she saw crossing the road in front of her.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1528 on: April 14, 2016, 12:46:50 AM »
Its important to know why GM  insisted on the opposite  flying in the face of other witnesses and his own testimony , which was made on the same day in fact....

Offline Brietta

Re: Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!
« Reply #1529 on: April 14, 2016, 12:48:21 AM »
Its important to know why GM  insisted on the opposite  flying in the face of other witnesses and his own testimony , which was made on the same day in fact....

Why?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....