Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[misty]

Just wondering if JW saw her hanging around outside at that time why she is texting somebody away from her partner and not heading straight to the tapas.

Why do you assume JT was texting outside? I was under the impression she didn't take her mobile to the Tapas Bar.

[pegasus]

JT was wearing dark blue, not purple, therefore JW did not see JT

Another witness, JM,  saw a woman on the street after 8pm in a plum top and long dark hair.
And that's who JW saw too IMO.
Plum=purple

[pegasus]

Why do you assume JT was texting outside? I was under the impression she didn't take her mobile to the Tapas Bar.

Good point.

[mercury]

The honest witness was crying for the poor little girl IMO Mercury, and wishing she'd stopped that man she saw (remember this film was made long before SY found the man was an innocent tourist with his own daughter). The presentation by someone else of an alternative chat location over the road out of earshot of the lounge wouldn't make anyone cry, in fact you can see the witness is bemused by how anyone could possibly remember it being over on the other side.

Err, maybe somene made her feel guilty? she cant be blamed either by herself or others for nor assumgn an abductiin was taking place, end of
she was crying cos she was being bullied by gerry and edgar, as can patently be seen in that so called documentary, which included untruths, end of imo

[misty]

@Pegasus
You mentioned something about GM saying he wasn't going to stop & talk to JW.
Does that make it more likely that GM did, in fact, cross the road to make conversation - otherwise, he'd have just continued walking down the hill imo.
Also, in the JT/JW version, if GM had left by the side gate & was already walking when JW caught sight of him from the other side of the road, how far down the road would GM have walked in the time it took JW to cross the road to him?

[pegasus]

@Pegasus
You mentioned something about GM saying he wasn't going to stop & talk to JW.
Does that make it more likely that GM did, in fact, cross the road to make conversation - otherwise, he'd have just continued walking down the hill imo.
Also, in the JT/JW version, if GM had left by the side gate & was already walking when JW caught sight of him from the other side of the road, how far down the road would GM have walked in the time it took JW to cross the road to him?

1. Yes I think it was a video but can't find it now.
2. I'd need to find it before commenting, I might be misremembering and talking rubbish.
3. It's impossible to emerge from a gate, walk a distance in a single direction, and still be at the gate. Maybe he walked south a bit then doubled back? Don't know.

[G-Unit]

The joys of two individuals recounting events which had absolutely no significance at the time.

Jeremy Wilkin's statement was as he remembered the occurence to the best of his ability (as one would when it concerned a missing child).  Bridget O'Donnell might have remembered differently, but why should there have been collusion to bring Jez's recollection into line with hers or vice versa?  Each is is independent of the other and each is being honest about their memories of events.

What is interesting is that there isn't an independent witness confirming the time of Gerry's check or of Jane's sighting.

[Benice]

 

JW was adamant he saw nobody when chatting to GM. IMO it was impossible for her to pass within a few feet without being seen. He would be aware with a pram. He noticed other people and JT at around 8:30.

"The raw telecom data provided to OP TASK shows that the mobile phone attributed to Jane TANNER (078085####) was in contact with mobile number 0794973#### at 20:30:21 hrs on 3rd May 2007 and again at 09:04:46 hrs on 4th May 2007. Each contact was an 'SMS'. Enquiries are underway to subscribe the '1884’ number."

I can confirm from personal experience that it is possible.    All it takes is for the person to be looking away in another direction and to be concentrating on something else for a few moments.    In this case - looking down at his baby in the pram would be a natural thing to do.         IMO people don't stand rooted to the spot staring into one another's eyes when they are chatting - they look around all the time - and it would be quite natural for both JW and GM to be looking down at the baby at intervals - especially when the baby was mentioned in the conversation.

[G-Unit]

I can confirm from personal experience that it is possible.    All it takes is for the person to be looking away in another direction and to be concentrating on something else for a few moments.    In this case - looking down at his baby in the pram would be a natural thing to do.         IMO people don't stand rooted to the spot staring into one another's eyes when they are chatting - they look around all the time - and it would be quite natural for both JW and GM to be looking down at the baby at intervals - especially when the baby was mentioned in the conversation.

Jane Tanner said they were 'engrossed' in their conversation. Why? Well, Gerry is a very focused type of person. Was it a very interesting conversation, totally engrossing and worthy of focusing all one's attention on it?  According to those taking part it was nothing but a casual chat between two people in passing at a holiday resort.

Gerry had his back to Jane and she didn't mention the men looking into the pushchair. If they were, then both men's peripheral vision should have picked up Jane's movement as she passed. The pushchair was south of them, so Gerry's head would have been turned to his right and Jez's to his left.

[faithlilly]

Jane Tanner said they were 'engrossed' in their conversation. Why? Well, Gerry is a very focused type of person. Was it a very interesting conversation, totally engrossing and worthy of focusing all one's attention on it?  According to those taking part it was nothing but a casual chat between two people in passing at a holiday resort.

Gerry had his back to Jane and she didn't mention the men looking into the pushchair. If they were, then both men's peripheral vision should have picked up Jane's movement as she passed. The pushchair was south of them, so Gerry's head would have been turned to his right and Jez's to his left.

On a busy street with lots of people passing by I think it would be possible to simply filter them out but in such a quiet, narrow street with no other activity I think not it would have been impossible not to see Tanner. Gerry knew that and that is why, even though it called the credibility of his main witness into question, he insisted on being on the other side of the road.

[G-Unit]

On a busy street with lots of people passing by I think it would be possible to simply filter them out but in such a quiet, narrow street with no other activity I think not it would have been impossible not to see Tanner. Gerry knew that and that is why, even though it called the credibility of his main witness into question, he insisted on being on the other side of the road.

It's difficult to see how Jeremy Wilkins is important actually. He saw and spoke to Gerry after 8.45 and before 9.15, that's all. He didn't know where Gerry had been or where he went after their chat.

[pegasus]

I can confirm from personal experience that it is possible.    All it takes is for the person to be looking away in another direction and to be concentrating on something else for a few moments.    In this case - looking down at his baby in the pram would be a natural thing to do.         IMO people don't stand rooted to the spot staring into one another's eyes when they are chatting - they look around all the time - and it would be quite natural for both JW and GM to be looking down at the baby at intervals - especially when the baby was mentioned in the conversation.

Thanks Benice for that welcome ray of commonsense. I already posted a video of two people standing on that actual pavement and another person passing between them and the wall, completely unnoticed by them, but some people won't accept it.

[pegasus]

Also I already posted a soundtrack of the actual witness walking in those exact shoes proving that the shoes are inaudible. But amazingly some people still refuse to cancel their membership of the "if they're called flipflops they must be deafeningly loud" fantasists club.

[pathfinder73]

JW looking out from the open stairwell high up in block 4 saw a woman in the street dressed in purple.
JT was not wearing purple. Dark blue is not purple.
There was a different woman wearing a plum (purple) top with long dark hair, that's who he saw IMO.

"I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Jenny Murat, 78, the mother of wrongly accused Robert Murat, has potentially breakthrough evidence but no one has spoken to her. At 8pm on May 3, 2007, she went to a supermarket and then drove past Apartment 5a and saw a woman hanging around. Her notes from the time say: “There was a woman standing on the corner under a lamp post.

“I don’t remember much of her other than she was of slight build and was wearing a plum coloured jacket. She moved around the lamp post as if trying not to be noticed.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/574547/Maddie-libel-detective-ruined-Retirement-retreat-seized-cover-McCann-payout

[pathfinder73]

I thnk Jt was texting Mrs Gorrod  to say she couldnt make her barbeque the next day iirc

Yes the ones with a car but this was investigated.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/James_Gorrod.htm

"rented on 28 April 2007 by an individual named James Gorrod.
At the counter of the said rent-a-car [company] it was confirmed that on the referred date, at
20h06, there was delivered to the referenced person [personal details given] an Opel Corsa, colour
grey, licence 75-AG-62.
Together with the vehicle the referenced person rented a car seat appropriate to transport a child
in the vehicle.
The vehicle was returned on 6 May 2007, at 08h00, with nothing irregular observed, it having been
determined that the reservation was made through the agency Holiday Autos European and that
the referenced person will have travelled on Easyjet airlines."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

Monday 30/4
Met a couple they know from Exeter, who were in the same resort (Praia da Luz or Ocean Club?) who had rented a car. Named as Jim and Charlotte Gorrod and 20 month old child.