She doesn't recall the position/orientation of either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other on the street, only having the perception that one was on the pavement and the other was in the road next to the other. Jez had a baby carriage, the deponent knowing that he had a small child.
--- Instada, esclarece que a razão porque saiu a seguir ao Gerald McCann, apenas 5/10 minutos depois, refere que o faz porque sabia que ele somente ia ao seu apartamento, reiterando que costumava controlar as suas filhas com regularidade.
Prompted, she clarified that the reason she left, following GM only 5/10 minutes later, she relates that she did it because she knew that he would only go to his apartment, reiterating that she checked her daughters regularly.
--- Questionada sobre que caminho efectuou no trajecto para sua casa, refere que saiu da recepção que dá acesso ao restaurante e subiu o passeio até a esquina, tendo entrado no apartamento pela porta da frente, a qual estava, tal como já afirmara, trancada. O único acesso ao interior da casa é por esta porta, visto que as janelas e a porta envidraçada da sala se encontravam trancadas por dentro, sendo desta forma apenas passíveis de serem abertas, também pelo interior.
Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked. The only access to the interior of the home is by that door, seeing that the windows and the sliding patio door to the lounge were locked from the inside, it being this way that they are only passable if they are opened, also from the inside.
--- Perguntada qual o trajecto que o Gerry McCann para sua casa, quando foi verificar o estado dos filhos, refere que desconhece, mas que tem conhecimento que ele, por vezes, acedia á casa pela porta envidraçada da sala, a qual ficava apenas encostada, mas não trancada. Explica que este era o acesso mais fácil e rápido ao apartamento dos McCann, por terem uma escada até á varanda, a qual estava mesmo junto ao passeio, poupando assim metade do trajecto. Questionada, refere que todos os casais tinham de aceder aos respectivos apartamentos pela porta da frente, excepto os McCann, pois estes eram os únicos que deixavam a porta de vidro destrancada.
Asked [about] the route of GM to his home when he went to check on his children, she relates that she does not know, but that she knows that he, at times, accessed the home by the glass lounge door which was only closed but not locked. She explains that this was the easiest and fastest way to enter the McCann apartment as they have a stairway up to the veranda which is next to the pavement, saving thereby half [the distance of] the route. Questioned, she relates that all the couples had to access their respective apartments by the front door, except the McCanns since they were the only ones who left the glass door unlocked.
--- Instada a dizer se verificou qual o estado das janelas e persianas do quarto das crianças McCann, quando se dirigiu à sua casa, refere que não, não olhou naquele sentido, podendo as mesmas estarem já abertas, sem que a depoente tivesse reparado.
Prompted to say if she checked the state of the windows and external blinds of the McCann children's bedroom when she went to her house, she relates that no, she did not look in that direction, hence they might already have been open without her having noticed.
--- Após ter ido ver a filha regressou ao restaurante. No regresso, o Gerald McCann já não se encontrava a conversar no local onde o tinha visto.
After having gone to see the child she returned to the restaurant. On her return GM was no longer talking where she had seen him.
--- Quando chegou ao restaurante o Gerald McCann já estava sentado à mesa, acompanhado da sua mulher Kate Healy e de todos os outros.
When she arrived at the restaurant GM was already seated at the table accompanied by his wife KH and all the others.
--- Entre 15 a 20 minutos depois, o seu marido Russell O'Brien e o Matthew Oldfield saíram, juntios, e foram ver as respectivas crianças. Como a sua filha Ev estava irrequieta e a chorar o Russell O'Bnen ficou no quarto.
Between 15 to 20 minutes later her husband ROB and MO left, together, and went to see their respective children. As her daughter Ev was restless and crying ROB stayed in the bedroom.
--- Entretanto o Matthew Oldfield foi verificar as suas crianças e as do Gerald McCann e Kate Healy. Segundo ele disse, viu os gémeos mas não viu a Madeleine Beth McCann, provavelmente porque não entrou no quarto. Como não ouviu qualquer barulho partiu do pressuposto que estava tudo bem, regressando ao restaurante. O Matthew Oldfield informou a ora depoente que o Russell O'Brien tinha ficado no quarto.
Meanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.
--- Após ter comido rapidamente o prato principal, a ora inquirida foi para o apartamento substituir o seu mando para que este pusesse acabar a sua refeição. O seu marido regressou ao restaurante. Algum tempo depois, não sabe precisar quanto, olhou pela janela da sala para a zona do restaurante, verificando, com estranheza, que não estava ninguém sentado a mesa, sendo que era ainda muito cedo para já terem, todos terminado a refeição. Ouviu depois as vozes da Kate Healy, e a Fiona Payne que se encontravam no corredor em frente ás janelas dos quartos e que chamavam, desesperadamente pela MADELEINE. Quando a viu, foi a própria Kate Healy quem disse à depoente que a MADELEINE havia desaparecido, não esclarecendo em que circunstâncias, continuando as buscas. A depoente manteve-se no seu apartamento, porque a sua filha El O'Brien estava a dormir e a mais pequena, Ev O'Brien, continuava acordada e queixosa.
After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining.
--- Por lhe ser perguntado, refere que não foi ao apartamento dos McCann, pelo que não sabe indicar qual o estado do quarto e os pormenores do que aconteceu naquela noite. Actualmente, já ouviu muitas versões ou hipóteses do que pode ter acontecido, mas, pela sua parte, apenas pode afirmar que o homem que viu com a criança ao colo, está, na sua convicção, relacionado com o desaparecimento da Madeleine Beth McCann.
As it was asked of her she relates that she did not go into the McCann apartment therefore she does not know the state of the bedroom nor any details of what happened that night. Now, already she had heard many versions or theories of what could have happened, but, for her part, she can only affirm that the man that she saw carrying the child was, in her belief, associated with the disappearance of MBM.
--- Foi então confrontada com o facto de, quando o seu marido Russell O'Brien e o Matthew Oldfield foram verificar as respectivas crianças, a janela já deveria estar aberta e a Madeleine, provavelmente já não se encontrava na sua cama. Esclarece que não pode responder por eles, mas pensa que o Matthew Oldfield não tenha entrado no quarto das crianças McCann, limitando-se a constatar que não existia qualquer ruído de choro e que os gémeos se encontravam nas suas camas. Perguntada se ele não poderia ter verificado os barulhos na janela do quarto, como por vezes faziam, a depoente esclarece que o Matthew Oldfield havia garantido aos pais que iria verificar o estado das crianças no interior da casa. Ou seja, para isso ele subiu o passeio até à entrada principal dos apartamentos, entrou na casa e voltou a sair, desceu novamente o passeio até ao acesso das traseiras da casa dos McCann, subiu as escadas e acedeu à sala através da porta de vidro (que não estava trancada). De qualquer forma, um melhor esclarecimento destes pormenores só poderá ser indicado pelo próprio Matthew Oldfield.
She was then confronted with the fact that when her husband ROB and MO went to check their respective children the window already might have been open and MBM probably no longer in her bed. She clarifies that she cannot answer for them but thinks that MO had not entered the McCann children's bedroom, limiting himself to hear that there was no crying and that the twins were in their beds. Asked if he couldn't have checked for noise at the bedroom window, as had been done many times, the deponent clarifies that MO had assured the parents that he would go to check the state of the children from inside the house. For this he went up the pavement to the main entrance of the apartments, entered [his] house and turned to leave, descended the pavement again to the rear entrance of the McCann flat, climbed the steps and accessed the lounge through the glass door (that was not locked). Anyway, a better understanding of these details can only be provided by MO himself.
--- Confrontada com a informação de que as equipas cinotécnicas seguiram/farejaram pistas em que supostamente a Madeleine Beth McCann não passou pelo cruzamento onde indicou que um homem levava uma criança ao colo, afirmou, peremptoriamente, que não estava a mentir, mantendo na integra a sua versão inicial. Que, realmente, passou à sua frente, um homem transportando, ao colo, uma criança descalça. Na altura, não deu a devida atenção porque é normal, no Ocean Club, as crianças passarem ao colo dos pais entre a creche a as respectivas casas, quando estes as vão buscar ao serviço de babby-sitting. Apenas estranhou o facto da criança não levar qualquer cobertura (manta) e a forma como o indivíduo caminhava, de forma apressada, e como vestia, as calças eram ligeiramente largas em toda a sua extensão, sendo direitas. As mesmas eram, quanto a cor, idênticas a "corticite", tipo "chino" (sic.). Quanto ao casaco era de cor escura, não conseguindo especificar a mesma, parecendo ser do mesmo material das calças, sendo um tipo "anorak" (sic.). Quanto ao calçado refere que não pode confirmar com toda a certeza, mas sapatos com um ligeiro "tacão".
Confronted with the information that the [tracker] dog teams had followed/followed the scent trails in which, purportedly, MBM had not passed the intersection where she indicated a man carried a child, she affirmed, immediately, that she was not lying, maintaining the honesty of her initial version. That, indeed, there had passed in front of her a man carrying, in his arms, a barefoot child. At the time she had not paid him much attention because it is common, at the OC, for children to pass in the arms of their parents between the crèche and their respective homes, when they have collected them from the baby-sitting service. Only it was strange that the child had no cover (blanket) and the way the man walked, rapidly,
and how he was dressed, the trousers were slightly wide their entire length, being straight. They (trousers) were as to colour, identical to "corticine" (a type of floor covering), "chino" [Chinese] style. As for the coat it was dark coloured, she was not able to specify what, seeming to be the same material as the trousers, it being a type of "anorak". As for the footwear she relates that she cannot confirm with certainty but [they were] shoes with a light "heel".
Here there is a quandry: the quotes around the word "heel" suggest that she is not describing the footwear. There are at least three English phrases that could fit the written description:
- the man was 'fleet-footed', i.e. fast and light on his feet; - this is my choice.
- the man was 'light in the loafers';
- the man was 'showing a clean pair of heels'.
--- Sobre a descrição da criança, confirmou que a mesma foi transportada ao colo, com as pernas na sua direcção e descalça. Pensou que fosse uma criança do sexo feminino porque o pijama era de cor clara (parecendo-lhe rosa). Nunca viu o cabelo da criança. Nunca a viu mexer nem fazer qualquer som, pensando que estava a dormir.
About the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and barefoot. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep.
--- Posteriormente, não teve dúvidas que seria a Madeleine Beth McCann porque, através da conversa que manteve com Fiona Payne, na qual ela lhe descreveu o pijama que a Madeleine McCann usava naquela noite, a qual coincide com aquilo que viu. Questionada porque não comentou com a Kate Healy o que havia visto naquela noite, ou seja, que tinha visto um indivíduo do sexo masculino que transportava uma criança com um pijama cor-de-rosa, refere que evitou sempre fazer esse comentário com o casal McCann, para não os torturar mais no seu sofrimento.
Subsequently, she had no doubts that it could have been MBM because, through conversations with FP in which [FP] described the pyjamas that MBM had worn that night, which coincided with those she had seen. Questioned why she had not commented to KH what she had seen that night, namely that she had seen a male individual who carried a child with pink pyjamas, she relates that she always avoided making this comment to the McCanns so as not to torture them more in their suffering.
--- Jurou, "por tudo o mais sagrado" (sic.), que o que contou é verdade, ou seja, viu um indivíduo com uma criança ao colo. Confrontada, demonstrou a distância a que se encontrava do local onde passou o homem com a criança, que se afere como uma distância de cerca de 5 metros.
She swore "by everything most sacred" that what she said is true, namely that she saw an individual with a child in his arms.
Confronted, she demonstrated the distance at which the man with the child had passed her, and that was gauged to be about 5 metres.http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post513.html#p513
