Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[faithlilly]

@ sadie

Jez Wilkins also claims to have crossed the road. From his statement :

'As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry'

So bang goes another theory huh !

Didn't Jez say in his rogatory that he wasn't 100% certain of where he was when he chatted to Gerry?

No he doesn't. This is what Wilkins said :

'When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same. I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him. As I mentioned previously, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children and was headed back to the Tapas Bar.
From what I remember, the conversation happened right there on the pathway but I am not certain who was located exactly where. '

[sadie]

@ sadie

Jez Wilkins also claims to have crossed the road. From his statement :

'As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry'

So bang goes another theory huh !

Ok, so they met in the middle of the road and talked there or pulled over to one side?

Honestly, from my experience, it would be very possible to have a 5 minute chat in the middle of the road.  No traffic ... especially so at dinner time when everyone is eating or watching TV

[faithlilly]

@ sadie

Jez Wilkins also claims to have crossed the road. From his statement :

'As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry'

So bang goes another theory huh !

Ok, so they met in the middle of the road and talked there or pulled over to one side?


Honestly, from my experience, it would be very possible to have a 5 minute chat in the middle of the road.  No traffic ... especially so at dinner time when everyone is eating or watching TV

Except no one says it was in the middle of the road. You are simply making recollections that don't fit fit.

I understand you have seen where Jez and Tanner say the chat took place and you know as well as I do, because I have been there as well, how impossible it would have been for both men not to see Tanner if she had passed by on such a narrow piece of pavement.

[sadie]

You are pushing the case for them being on the western side (left in the picture) pavement.

I am open minded to some extent, but am inclined to think thay were on the other pavement




Try opening your mind, faithlilly.  It's a bit narrow minded atm

[peter claridge]

@ sadie

Jez Wilkins also claims to have crossed the road. From his statement :

'As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry'

So bang goes another theory huh !

Ok, so they met in the middle of the road and talked there or pulled over to one side?


Honestly, from my experience, it would be very possible to have a 5 minute chat in the middle of the road.  No traffic ... especially so at dinner time when everyone is eating or watching TV

Except no one says it was in the middle of the road. You are simply making recollections that don't fit fit.

I understand you have seen where Jez and Tanner say the chat took place and you know as well as I do, because I have been there as well, how impossible it would have been for both men not to see Tanner if she had passed by on such a narrow piece of pavement.

Which is why Sadie is so desperate for that meeting to have not taken place on the pavement.  Don't you just love the sound of straw clutching in the morning.

[sadie]

Peter

Which is why Sadie is so desperate for that meeting to have not taken place on the pavement.  Don't you just love the sound of straw clutching in the morning.

No its you lot that are desperate for it to have been on the left pavement.  I think it was the right pavement, or the middle of the road .... but unlike you, I am open minded

None of us were there!

[peter claridge]

Peter

Which is why Sadie is so desperate for that meeting to have not taken place on the pavement.  Don't you just love the sound of straw clutching in the morning.

No its you lot that are desperate for it to have been on the left pavement.  I think it was the right pavement, or the middle of the road .... but unlike you, I am open minded

None of us were there!

What are your reasons for wanting the meeting to have taken place on the right pavement.

[Redblossom]

Mr Wilkins drew a map of where the chat with Gerry Mccann took place. It was on the pathway right outside the little iron gate at the bottom of the flat. Marked by an X.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/9of8-ecf89375.gif

[C.Edwards]

Peter

Which is why Sadie is so desperate for that meeting to have not taken place on the pavement.  Don't you just love the sound of straw clutching in the morning.

No its you lot that are desperate for it to have been on the left pavement.  I think it was the right pavement, or the middle of the road .... but unlike you, I am open minded

None of us were there!

Jez Wilkins was and he very precisely pinpointed where the meeting took place. If you want to doubt his word, you'd have to have good reason, surely?

[Angelo222]

In his statement Mr McCann said that he met Wilkins some 10 metres down from the patio gate and crossed the road to chat to him so they can't both be right ???

And another point worthy of note is that Wilkins said that Gerry appeared to have come from the steps at the patio gate inferring that he had just come from the apartment via the patio entrance. Some people seem to be under the illusion that Gerry walked all the way round to the front door when all he had to do was nip up to the unlocked patio door.  Is there an issue here that some posters are confusing the back and the front of apartment 5a?

The back of the apartment is where the sliding patio door is which faces the tapas bar. The same door which Matthew used to enter the apartment at 9.10ish. Gerry had no reason to make the much longer journey up to the top of the street and have to use a key to access via the front door.

[C.Edwards]

In his statement Mr McCann said that he met Wilkins some 10 metres down from the patio gate and crossed the road to chat to him so they can't both be right ???

Indeed. And do we believe the independent witness with nothing to lose/gain or the "person of interest" who seems to be happy to have things remaining unclarified?

[sadie]

Mr Wilkins drew a map of where the chat with Gerry Mccann took place. It was on the pathway right outside the little iron gate at the bottom of the flat. Marked by an X.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/9of8-ecf89375.gif

Redblossom - how interesting.  I cant recall seeing that map before

OK; lets assume that is where they were.

This verifies my more recent thoughts that the watcher was on the balcony immediately across the road from 5A.  ....and eliminates all the other possible watcher points

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This abduction nearly failed, because the watcher couldn't see Gerry and gave the go ahead at the wrong time.  Every other view point could see that corner and for the watcher to have been given the go ahead Gerry had to have been out of his view.





Please use GE and zoom right in.


This balcony was partially bathed in light from the very close sodium street light.  The back part (southern end) of this balcony was in the shade.  The watcher would have made sure he was in the shade.

From that shaded part he couldn't see Gerry and Jez, nor the emerging Jane ... so he gave the go ahead.

The getaway vehicle was in the little parking area behind the flats in which the balcony was. [directly across the road from the Reception to the Tapas]   Immediately he had given the go ahead, he walked down and thru that block and its little garden.  He crossed the garden to a gate which opened directly on to the little car park, straight into the van ... or 4 wheel drive ***

THe abductor had been skulking in/near the recess to the front door, which was in near blackness .   As the abductor almost certainly had a key, once he got the signal, he was in and out like a shot, only stopping to open the window and blinds. 

The driver drove out for the pick up to see Gerry and Jez and worse still to see Jane witnessing it all.  In shockhorror he backed in again and drove off in the opposite direction.  Bundleman meanwhile, circled around via the alleyway Aldemeante Ocean Club (Name now whooshed off GE) to that little car park to find his driver gone

Aldeamente Ocean Club is the alleyway that runs southwards immediately to the east of the road where it all happened and it is possible to get thru from there to that little car park.

Poor bundleman(the rotter!) was abandoned!  No way was he, or any sane man, going to walk thru PdL with a stolen child in his arms by design.

But he had no choice, did he?

Only my thoughts but the scenario is perfect now as far as i can see ... and brilliantly pinpoints exactly which place was used for watching

Thank you so much Redblossom 




*** Certain 4 wheel drive vehicles have the correct sort of headlamps to show colour - maybe vans do too, but from what I have read most cars do not.   Moonlight and sodium street lights are monochromatic and do not show colour. 

Jane Tanner saw colour.  The human brain is amazing, in that it can record the slightest glimpse of things, such as colour

Therefore it seems the getaway vehicle was a four wheel drive or some vehicle with the correct sort of lighting to show colour. The report that I read, many moons ago, said that either a jeep or a land rover had the correct sort of lights ... cant remember which

[Redblossom]

Martha, it is clear from each of Mr Wilkins' statements that the chat took place outside flat 5a. The only thing Mr Wilkins was unsure of was where he and Gerry Mccann stood, relative to each other, not which side of the road it was.


Full reference to all statements here.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

To Sadie, you are welcome.

[John]

Are these the balconies you are referring to sadie?

[John]

Martha, it is clear from each of Mr Wilkins' statements that the chat took place outside flat 5a. The only thing Mr Wilkins was unsure of was where he and Gerry Mccann stood, relative to each other, not which side of the road it was.

Not according to the map he allegedly drew it wasn't.  It was adjacent the public path.