Author Topic: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?  (Read 287428 times)

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #765 on: November 14, 2024, 03:45:11 PM »

Furthermore, I have to wonder if Hazel B still thinks it was a good idea to have given her evidence to all the tabloids before ever presenting it in court?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #766 on: November 14, 2024, 05:46:11 PM »
Why in your posts do you call members trolls... when it seems in your posts you come across as one yourself.

Your post seems very bitter as if it affected you personally.

The thing here is though ...G.A. hasn't been proved wrong has he.
Oh well if he hasn’t been proved wrong then of course he must be right, la.  The problem is though that HCW hasn’t been proved wrong with regard to CB murdering Madeleine either so he must be right as well.  What a dilemma.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #767 on: November 14, 2024, 06:29:30 PM »
I do however only know about the evidence which has been reported in the media, and there is sufficient for me to form the opinion that he is a strong suspect.

Well that says it all really MSM evidence not worth the paper its written on....not exactly concrete is it.

 Funnily enough the law enforcement professionals all seem to agree with my position on this too,


What IYO are O.G. still being funded for who are they looking for....

Why are they still being funded if they think HCW has enough evidence.

If IYO HCW has evidence C.B.  is the so called abductor.
The MSM quoted HCW directly, and I have seen him corroborate these reports in his own words so yes, whilst I know it’s very fashionable to sneer at the “MSM” as being not worth the paper blah blah blah,  in this instance yes it is, and certainly at least as reliable if not infinitely more so than some random ten year old blog by some anonymous writer.

I’ve already addressed the rest of your questions in earlier posts when I said I don’t know what they are investigating but would think they are acting in a supporting role to the German investigation.   I don’t think I have ever claimed that HCW has enough evidence, I would imagime that there is currently not enough to ensure a conviction beyond reasonable doubt. 

Would you not like to see CB put on trial for this crime so that the evidence can be tested in court?  If so you should be hoping that the German investigation finally gets to that point, but somehow I get the feeling you would prefer they simply gave up now and admitted defeat.  The thing is though, if it never goes to court CB will never be cleared, and as you sceptics like to keep banging on about the McCanns never having been cleared as if that somehow makes them guilty, the same thing will apply to CB.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #768 on: November 14, 2024, 06:44:15 PM »
Furthermore, I have to wonder if Hazel B still thinks it was a good idea to have given her evidence to all the tabloids before ever presenting it in court?

As it has obviously festered within her for 20 years, its probably better out than in.
Whether it was legally advisable is another matter.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #769 on: November 14, 2024, 07:02:16 PM »
As it has obviously festered within her for 20 years, its probably better out than in.
Whether it was legally advisable is another matter.

She didn't just shoot herself in the foot. She blew her whole leg clean off. In My Opinion.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #770 on: November 15, 2024, 11:05:11 AM »
The MSM quoted HCW directly, and I have seen him corroborate these reports in his own words so yes, whilst I know it’s very fashionable to sneer at the “MSM” as being not worth the paper blah blah blah,  in this instance yes it is, and certainly at least as reliable if not infinitely more so than some random ten year old blog by some anonymous writer.

I’ve already addressed the rest of your questions in earlier posts when I said I don’t know what they are investigating but would think they are acting in a supporting role to the German investigation.   I don’t think I have ever claimed that HCW has enough evidence, I would imagime that there is currently not enough to ensure a conviction beyond reasonable doubt. 

Would you not like to see CB put on trial for this crime so that the evidence can be tested in court?  If so you should be hoping that the German investigation finally gets to that point, but somehow I get the feeling you would prefer they simply gave up now and admitted defeat.  The thing is though, if it never goes to court CB will never be cleared, and as you sceptics like to keep banging on about the McCanns never having been cleared as if that somehow makes them guilty, the same thing will apply to CB.

The MSM quoted HCW directly, and I have seen him corroborate these reports in his own words

Words means nothing ......Its evidence he is struggling with it seems....even circumstantial.



Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #771 on: November 15, 2024, 05:23:34 PM »
The MSM quoted HCW directly, and I have seen him corroborate these reports in his own words

Words means nothing ......Its evidence he is struggling with it seems....even circumstantial.
But you would like to see CB stand trial so all the evidence can be revealed tested in court wouldn’t you?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #772 on: November 15, 2024, 05:26:43 PM »
But you would like to see CB stand trial so all the evidence can be revealed tested in court wouldn’t you?

I'm not sure that's such a good idea, judging by how well the prosecution did in the last trial.
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Offline jassi

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #773 on: November 15, 2024, 05:52:45 PM »
Without a trial there is no chance of this case being resolved.
Even with a trial there may be no resolution, but at least we can see the evidence supporting the prosecution case.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #774 on: November 15, 2024, 06:02:03 PM »
The MSM quoted HCW directly, and I have seen him corroborate these reports in his own words

Words means nothing ......Its evidence he is struggling with it seems....even circumstantial.

The McCann's did not kill their daughter. There isn't even circumstantial evidence to suggest that they did.  Goncalo Amaral who was already corrupt on more than one count was the one who kicked this off. Although why anyone believed him remains a mystery to me.

I did so love Portugal back in the days before this happened, although I was aware of what The Pj were all about. But it wasn't my problem, sad to say.

I Could tell you a tale that might have mattered to Portugal. But they never saw the end of Salazar.  And so there alws was so much more to this.  Amaral was a PJ Officer, raised during The Salazar Regime and indoctrinated. They' were always right, they thought.


Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #775 on: November 15, 2024, 06:08:27 PM »
Without a trial there is no chance of this case being resolved.
Even with a trial there may be no resolution, but at least we can see the evidence supporting the prosecution case.

We've already seen it. The evidence against CB consists of his bogus murder confessions. That's it. That's all there is. No dna, forensic, nothing of actual substance, no paedo photos, no connection to Hazel B, as Mr Gray imagined. Only witness statements from career criminals. Which explains quite easily why he hasn't been & will never be charged.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #776 on: November 15, 2024, 06:10:06 PM »
The McCann's did not kill their daughter. There isn't even circumstantial evidence to suggest that they did.  Goncalo Amaral who was already corrupt on more than one count was the one who kicked this off. Although why anyone believed him remains a mystery to me.

I did so love Portugal back in the days before this happened, although I was aware of what The Pj were all about. But it wasn't my problem, sad to say.

I Could tell you a tale that might have mattered to Portugal. But they never saw the end of Salazar.  And so there alws was so much more to this.  Amaral was a PJ Officer, raised during The Salazar Regime and indoctrinated. They' were always right, they thought.

Since when did Amaral accuse the McCanns of killing Maddie? I don't remember reading that in his book.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #777 on: November 15, 2024, 06:11:29 PM »
We've already seen it. The evidence against CB consists of his bogus murder confessions. That's it. That's all there is. No dna, forensic, nothing of actual substance, no paedo photos, no connection to Hazel B, as Mr Gray imagined. Only witness statements from career criminals. Which explains quite easily why he hasn't been & will never be charged.

.....No sightings of Brueckner carrying the inert Maddie away from the scene.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #778 on: November 15, 2024, 06:15:00 PM »
Without a trial there is no chance of this case being resolved.
Even with a trial there may be no resolution, but at least we can see the evidence supporting the prosecution case.
Exactly.  Both sides of the argument should be in agreement about this I would have thought.
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Offline jassi

Re: Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?
« Reply #779 on: November 15, 2024, 06:20:59 PM »
We've already seen it. The evidence against CB consists of his bogus murder confessions. That's it. That's all there is. No dna, forensic, nothing of actual substance, no paedo photos, no connection to Hazel B, as Mr Gray imagined. Only witness statements from career criminals. Which explains quite easily why he hasn't been & will never be charged.

There was no confession to murder. It was the witness that said that he believed that Brueckner had killed MM, not Brueckner saying it.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future