Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Eleanor]

Maybe you can tell me then, because I didn't get an answer from davel.

What is there that shows the McCanns innocence?

What is it that shows their guilt?  Such a pity because I doubt that you are as stupid as you pretend to be.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me, but I do mind when someone of obvious intelligence behaves like a brain dead moron just to disrupt.

[Wonderfulspam]

What is it that shows their guilt?  Such a pity because I doubt that you are as stupid as you pretend to be.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me, but I do mind when someone of obvious intelligence behaves like a brain dead moron just to disrupt.

No no, I'm not disrupting anything at all. Davel raised the point that sceptics won't accept anything that shows the McCanns innocence. So, presumably there must me be something that shows the McCanns innocence then, & I'd like to know what there is.

[Mr Gray]

No no, I'm not disrupting anything at all. Davel raised the point that sceptics won't accept anything that shows the McCanns innocence. So, presumably there must me be something that shows the McCanns innocence then, & I'd like to know what there is.

There's plenty..it's all been discussed but you don't accept it. Let's just take one..the lack of enough evidence to arrest..charge..or prosecute them. If they were tried in court in the present evidence they would be found not guilty..that is an indication of innocence

[Wonderfulspam]

So, Eleanor gets to call me a braindead moron. Nil warning points.

I reply in kind. Instant points.


Yes, that seems fair.

[Wonderfulspam]

There's plenty..it's all been discussed but you don't accept it. Let's just take one..the lack of enough evidence to arrest..charge..or prosecute them. If they were tried in court in the present evidence they would be found not guilty..that is an indication of innocence

It could just mean that the police failed to gather the evidence though. That doesn't mean there wasn't any to be found in the first place. No, I'm sorry. That won't do. Try again.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There's plenty..it's all been discussed but you don't accept it. Let's just take one..the lack of enough evidence to arrest..charge..or prosecute them. If they were tried in court in the present evidence they would be found not guilty..that is an indication of innocence

This would certainly be enough to convince the troll that CB was innocent, strange how it doesn't apply when it's the McCanns though. 

[Eleanor]

So, Eleanor gets to call me a braindead moron. Nil warning points.

I reply in kind & call her an old bag. Instant points.


Yes, that seems fair.

I have given you No Points.

[Eleanor]

It could just mean that the police failed to gather the evidence though. That doesn't mean there wasn't any to be found in the first place. No, I'm sorry. That won't do. Try again.

No one has to try with you.  You destroy your own arguments.

[Wonderfulspam]

I have given you No Points.

Brietta did. In fairness, she should have either let the matter slide or awarded you points for insulting me. But that isn't going to happen.

[Wonderfulspam]

No one has to try with you.  You destroy your own arguments.

All you're good for is insulting other members Eleanor. That much is plain for all to see.

[Eleanor]

Brietta did. In fairness, she should have either let the matter slide or awarded you points for insulting me. But that isn't going to happen.

I didn't insult you.  I paid you a compliment.

[Wonderfulspam]

This would certainly be enough to convince the troll that CB was innocent, strange how it doesn't apply when it's the McCanns though.

The problem with ruling out the McCanns is that you have to trust their word that Madeleine was alive & in her bed on the evening of May 3rd, available to be abducted. But there really is no way to confirm that she was I'm afraid.

[Brietta]

Found it! Correio da Manhã condemned to pay €15,000 in damages.
https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-case-victim-robert-murat-wins-damages-for-being-labelled-pedophile-on-live-tv/

Although it took years, the Portuguese courts delivered for Murat then.

Interestingly the Portuguese appeal court judgement follows the line that one would expect in determining the outcome of a trial for defamation -
Morning Mail ordered to pay 15,<> euros to Robert Murat
Court finds that newspaper went too far in the published news about British citizen who came to be accused in the Maddie case.
Ana Henriques
May 6, 2013, 20:09
"The objective of increasing runs cannot be obnubilar of journalistic duties, respect for the presumption of innocence, of not collecting statements or images that affect the dignity of people, as well as publishing news that creates discrimination," the judges observe in a judgment dated mid-last month and now made public.
                              ....................................................................
For the Lisbon Court of Appeal, the argument of the public interest cannot be used to justify "the warp of 'facts', insinuations" and conjectures attributed to the British — who came to be constituted accused in the Maddie case — "a sick personality in the area not only of pedophilia but even of zooestia, compatible with the practice of criminal wrongdoing related to the disappearance of the unfortunate child".
https://www.publico.pt/2013/05/06/sociedade/noticia/correio-da-manha-condenado-a-pagar-15-mil-euros-a-robert-murat-1593550

[G-Unit]

Interestingly the Portuguese appeal court judgement follows the line that one would expect in determining the outcome of a trial for defamation -
Morning Mail ordered to pay 15,<> euros to Robert Murat
Court finds that newspaper went too far in the published news about British citizen who came to be accused in the Maddie case.
Ana Henriques
May 6, 2013, 20:09
"The objective of increasing runs cannot be obnubilar of journalistic duties, respect for the presumption of innocence, of not collecting statements or images that affect the dignity of people, as well as publishing news that creates discrimination," the judges observe in a judgment dated mid-last month and now made public.
                              ....................................................................
For the Lisbon Court of Appeal, the argument of the public interest cannot be used to justify "the warp of 'facts', insinuations" and conjectures attributed to the British — who came to be constituted accused in the Maddie case — "a sick personality in the area not only of pedophilia but even of zooestia, compatible with the practice of criminal wrongdoing related to the disappearance of the unfortunate child".
https://www.publico.pt/2013/05/06/sociedade/noticia/correio-da-manha-condenado-a-pagar-15-mil-euros-a-robert-murat-1593550

Every case is different, naturally.

[Eleanor]

Interestingly the Portuguese appeal court judgement follows the line that one would expect in determining the outcome of a trial for defamation -
Morning Mail ordered to pay 15,<> euros to Robert Murat
Court finds that newspaper went too far in the published news about British citizen who came to be accused in the Maddie case.
Ana Henriques
May 6, 2013, 20:09
"The objective of increasing runs cannot be obnubilar of journalistic duties, respect for the presumption of innocence, of not collecting statements or images that affect the dignity of people, as well as publishing news that creates discrimination," the judges observe in a judgment dated mid-last month and now made public.
                              ....................................................................
For the Lisbon Court of Appeal, the argument of the public interest cannot be used to justify "the warp of 'facts', insinuations" and conjectures attributed to the British — who came to be constituted accused in the Maddie case — "a sick personality in the area not only of pedophilia but even of zooestia, compatible with the practice of criminal wrongdoing related to the disappearance of the unfortunate child".
https://www.publico.pt/2013/05/06/sociedade/noticia/correio-da-manha-condenado-a-pagar-15-mil-euros-a-robert-murat-1593550

This is all such a waste of time.  Why do we go on doing this?   Is there some facet of human nature that I don't understand and has completely passed me by?  Especially since the accusations against The McCanns are obviously going nowhere.

My childhood was not of the best, but I don't feel so badly as some of you do. The McCanns were way better parents than I ever had, but I am not resentful of that.  So what was it that makes some of you hate them so much?