Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Mr Gray]

The problem with ruling out the McCanns is that you have to trust their word that Madeleine was alive & in her bed on the evening of May 3rd, available to be abducted. But there really is no way to confirm that she was I'm afraid.

Might not do for you but in the real world the fact there is not enough evidence to charge is evidence of innocence..they don't have to prove it

[John]

There are lots of words which would explain it, El, but I think it can best be summed up with "empathy".  Some have it in spades and others evidence a severe lack of.

There is nothing to be done about it ~ particularly as far as opinion posters using the internet are concerned ~ fortunately in the real world there are checks and balances which iron out most of the differences.

Posting on the forum about the McCann family has certainly been an education for me.  None more so than reading responses to this thread topic.  I come over all Victor Meldrewish - "I don't belieeeeeve it"

So some of us may have learned nothing over the past sixteen years but evidently those investigating Madeleine McCann's case have learned a great deal.  And these are the guys who matter.

First the Portuguese, then the English and now the Germans have tried to solve Madeleine's disappearance but none have managed it.

[John]

The problem with ruling out the McCanns is that you have to trust their word that Madeleine was alive & in her bed on the evening of May 3rd, available to be abducted. But there really is no way to confirm that she was I'm afraid.

If the story about Payne's visit to 5a is anything to go by I think we can take much of what has been said with a mighty pinch of salt. The discrepancy in the versions of events in the hours before Madeleine was reported missing is just too wide to be reliable.

[Wonderfulspam]

Might not do for you but in the real world the fact there is not enough evidence to charge is evidence of innocence..they don't have to prove it

Right, so you agree Brueckner is innocent. That's good to know.

[Wonderfulspam]

There isn't enough evidence to charge anyone in connection with Madeleine's disappearance.
That in it's self is evidence everyone is innocent.
So no abduction, or death in the apartment. The only legally acceptable explanation for Madeleine’s disappearance is that she left of her own accord & went to start life anew. Madeleine simply disappeared, until proven otherwise. That is a proven fact.

[Mr Gray]

First the Portuguese, then the English and now the Germans have tried to solve Madeleine's disappearance but none have managed it.

The Germans with the help of SY have solved it where the PJ failed

They also solved the DM rape case where the PJ failed

CB is charged with another rape and two more paedophile charged..thanks to SY and the BKA..again where the PJ failed

[Mr Gray]

If the story about Payne's visit to 5a is anything to go by I think we can take much of what has been said with a mighty pinch of salt. The discrepancy in the versions of events in the hours before Madeleine was reported missing is just too wide to be reliable.

The most likely explanation is poor translations..without verbatim statements in English it's impossible to say

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the story about Payne's visit to 5a is anything to go by I think we can take much of what has been said with a mighty pinch of salt. The discrepancy in the versions of events in the hours before Madeleine was reported missing is just too wide to be reliable.

*shakes head in disbelief*

[Wonderfulspam]

The Germans with the help of SY have solved it where the PJ failed

They also solved the DM rape case where the PJ failed

CB is charged with another rape and two more paedophile charged..thanks to SY and the BKA..again where the PJ failed

So when does Brueckner's trial start then?

[Mr Gray]

Charges for the murder of MM to follow? You really still believe that?

I think it's most likely

[Wonderfulspam]

The most likely explanation is poor translations..without verbatim statements in English it's impossible to say

Any discrepancies will be put to bed when the McCanns are called as witnesses during Brueckner's trial.

[Mr Gray]

So you feel it was unjustified?

I think it was a disgrace

[Wonderfulspam]

I think it's most likely

Based on anything in particular, or just blind faith in Wolters?

[John]

*shakes head in disbelief*

It was rather... unbelievable. He said...she said... 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was rather... unbelievable. He said...she said... 

So you think there was something devious going on between DP and Kate McCann do you?  I mean, you’ve obviously never come across the phenomenon of witnesses recalling events slightly differently from each other or getting details completely wrong have you?  Like that nosey social worker who ascribed a long scar to DP’s face when she was decribing him, a scar he doesn’t actually possess?   Yes, it must be that DP and Kate McCann were covering something up that happened earlier that evening - and then by sheer coincidence Madeleine woke and wandered out of the apartment later on, as you seem to believe