Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Eleanor]

If Madeleine was an actual target then she could have been taken in the middle of the night.  But no doubt that would have been the fault of The McCanns somehow.  Drunk or whatever, or how dare they go to sleep.
I remember one woman who said she slept on the floor outside the children's bedrooms every night, as one should of course.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If Madeleine was an actual target then she could have been taken in the middle of the night.  But no doubt that would have been the fault of The McCanns somehow.  Drunk or whatever, or how dare they go to sleep.
I remember one woman who said she slept on the floor outside the children's bedrooms every night, as one should of course.

OUTSIDE the bedroom?!  How neglectful.

[Eleanor]

OUTSIDE the bedroom?!  How neglectful.

Two Bedrooms.  A Boy and a Girl.  Which one to choose I wonder.

[Wonderfulspam]

Same goes for all children abducted, raped and murdered then, right?  The parents are always to blame.

No, of course not. Not ALL parents are ALWAYS to blame. One has to judge each case separately. Undoubtedly though, there will be SOME cases where SOME blame can be apportioned to the parents. Like this one. Even though I don't believe Maddie was abducted anyway.

[kizzy]

Same goes for all children abducted, raped and murdered then, right?  The parents are always to blame.

Not always but the biggest percentage is someone known to them ..family/friends etc

It seems as though the mccs never suspected friends .......for some reason

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not always but the biggest percentage is someone known to them ..family/friends etc

It seems as though the mccs never suspected friends .......for some reason

Perhaps because they were sat with them all night.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Not always but the biggest percentage is someone known to them ..family/friends etc

It seems as though the mccs never suspected friends .......for some reason

Although, some former friends did let police know of alleged inappropriate behavior witnessed while holidaying with the Mc's Before.

Nothing has been learned. still no evidence of abduction from apartment.

[Eleanor]

Although, some former friends did let police know of alleged inappropriate behavior witnessed while holidaying with the Mc's Before.

Nothing has been learned. still no evidence of abduction from apartment.

a husband and wife who were both present but didn't actually agree on what did or didn't happen.

[jassi]

a husband and wife who were both present but didn't actually agree on what did or didn't happen.

Its a rarity for husband and wife to agree over anything

[Eleanor]

Its a rarity for husband and wife to agree over anything

This is not helpful when signing two differing witness statements.

[faithlilly]

Ignorance can be cured but stupidity can't and I have learned over the years which one is which  🙄

Did this happen during therapy?

[G-Unit]

a husband and wife who were both present but didn't actually agree on what did or didn't happen.

The husband said;

 I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue.

The wife said;

Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes.

Sounds like agreement to me.

[Eleanor]

The husband said;

 I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue.

The wife said;

Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes.

Sounds like agreement to me.

David Payne and Gerry McCann were discussing the sexual abuse of their daughters while the female witness was sitting between them and they were talking across her?  Does this sound likely to you?

[Wonderfulspam]

David Payne and Gerry McCann were discussing the sexual abuse of their daughters while the female witness was sitting between them and they were talking across her?  Does this sound likely to you?

What were they talking about then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The husband said;

 I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue.

The wife said;

Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes.

Sounds like agreement to me.

They disagreed about its significance and about the character of DP as well you know