Have we learned anything new after almost 16 years?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No Not in the apartment in the car.

both dogs alerted in apartment on mcc clothes etc....yet no where else. no other apartment /car/ nothing

Quite right too.  Dogs don’t lie but I’m still puzzled by all the defrosted body fluids in the car.  Whose was it, if not Madeleine’s?

[faithlilly]

Well, its possible  ...it could have been cross contamination from stuff put in the boot.

Off course it could.

It’s quite clear that Madeleine, alive or dead, was never in the hire car. What is less clear is did items which had come into contact with her body, or perhaps the clothes of someone who carried her body, cause the dogs to alert?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Off course it could.

It’s quite clear that Madeleine, alive or dead, was never in the hire car. What is less clear is did items which had come into contact with her body, or perhaps the clothes of someone who carried her body, cause the dogs to alert?

It wasn’t clear to Dr Amaral though.  He felt quite sure there were defrosted bodily fluids and n the back of that car.  What evidence have got that makes you so sure he was wrong?   I think it’s  disrespectful of you to contradict the man who was closest to the investigation at the time.

[kizzy]

Quite right too.  Dogs don’t lie but I’m still puzzled by all the defrosted body fluids in the car.  Whose was it, if not Madeleine’s?

Why puzzled ...gave already said it could be cross contamination.

Who  could have committed the perfect crime.

who didn't have to explain why any prints or DNA were found in that apartment.

Oh and.


THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007 


This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated:


Government officials


Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)


John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately


Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately   


Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately


Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately   


Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office


Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office   


British Police Officers


Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May


An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed)  from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May


Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police


Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police 


Government security and secret service personnel


Staff from MI5 (unnamed)


Staff from Child Exploitation and OnLine Protection Service (unnamed – Kate McCann in her book describes them As ‘Forensic Psychologists’), arrived 4 May
More staff from CEOP, the ‘Director of the Forensic Psychology Unit’ AND a CEOP ‘social worker’ (arrived 6 May)
Staff from Special Branch (unnamed)
‘Criminal profilers’ (unnamed - attached to unnamed government security departments)
   

[jassi]

An impressive array of people to run interference on behalf of the distraught parents and friends

[kizzy]

An impressive array of people to run interference on behalf of the distraught parents and friends

It certainly is....and it doesn't involve the Lawyers the mccs hired IIRC 11...

Not forgetting eventually Clarence spin doctor Mitchell and Carter Ruck,

and why these....it seems to me GA didn't stand a chance from the beginning.

John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately


Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately   


Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately


Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately   

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why puzzled ...gave already said it could be cross contamination.

Who  could have committed the perfect crime.

who didn't have to explain why any prints or DNA were found in that apartment.

Oh and.


THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007 


This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated:


Government officials


Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)


John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately


Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately   


Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately


Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately   


Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office


Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office   


British Police Officers


Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May


An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed)  from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May


Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police


Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police 


Government security and secret service personnel


Staff from MI5 (unnamed)


Staff from Child Exploitation and OnLine Protection Service (unnamed – Kate McCann in her book describes them As ‘Forensic Psychologists’), arrived 4 May
More staff from CEOP, the ‘Director of the Forensic Psychology Unit’ AND a CEOP ‘social worker’ (arrived 6 May)
Staff from Special Branch (unnamed)
‘Criminal profilers’ (unnamed - attached to unnamed government security departments)
   

Yes absolutely shocking and indicative of a massive cover up to protect the McCanns.  Clearly these were not just two common or garden doctors on holiday with friends but two people who played a critical role within the British Establishment whose reputations needed protecting at any cost.  V. sinister.  Probably free masons imo.
But getting back to the defrosted bodily fluids,  I don’t understand your remark about cross contamination.  According to Amaral these defrosted bodily fluids were actually found in the boot of the car.  Whose were they?  Do you know?  Madeleine’s surely?

[sadie]

Your posts have an obsession with trying to make posters ..... less important than yourself.




What have we learned in 17 years nothing [apart from the prime suspects for abduction].. results in zero.

Maddie disappeared 17 years a go...no one can prove what happened or who was responsible it seems.

IMO the only way of solving this is for fresh eyes to look at it from the begining....not half way through

Or keep looking for a so called abductor ....of wich they have no evidence there was one.

Dear Kizzy,

We have learned an enormous amount, such that OG changed their opinion from thinking Madeleine was murdered to now thinking that she is likely alive.

And there are still clues out there 'Hidden in plain sight' if you look in the right way.   Every month or so, I find something else.

You just have to forget all the disinformation put out and look in a different way.   We have been massively deceived by disinformation ..../ disinformation on a massive scale and everyone followed the same path in their search .... and came to the same, or with some of you, opposing conclusions.   Think out of the box.


I repeat, SY now think it likely that Madeleine lives.   
Matt James, psychic, also believes Madeleine is alive as do all reputable psychics.   Like me, he thinks that she was taken for her very precious sacred bloodline ... and they are trying to reproduce another ' Coming of Christ ', by breeding from her.


I dont think that she has been physically hurt or damaged in any way, but kept pure.

[sadie]

I win, win what .......you see its not a game for me.

I believe in what..... I believe happened to Maddie....and as yet there is no evidence to say I'm wrong.

There is loads of evidence/clues, Kizzy, but I am unable to share.   Soz.

[sadie]

Yes, the PJ were put under huge pressure by the McCanns and the UK police to do as they were told and to put aside all their police training and believe in the abduction to the exclusion of any other possible theory, I feel so sorry for them not having the abilty to stand up to such strong foreign intervention.  I wonder how they eventually found the strength to stand up to those bloody Brits?  But good on them for finally doing so and pursuing the only logical and plausible theory ie that the Mcanns put their child into a freezer (or someone else’s coffin) and then retrieved her for transporting to her final destination 23 days later.

I love your posts.  Well done VS.   You are a star

    Keep me laughing, purleaze.   

[Lace]

Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)


 

[kizzy]

Yes absolutely shocking and indicative of a massive cover up to protect the McCanns.  Clearly these were not just two common or garden doctors on holiday with friends but two people who played a critical role within the British Establishment whose reputations needed protecting at any cost.  V. sinister.  Probably free masons imo.
But getting back to the defrosted bodily fluids,  I don’t understand your remark about cross contamination.  According to Amaral these defrosted bodily fluids were actually found in the boot of the car.  Whose were they?  Do you know?  Madeleine’s surely?

whose reputations needed protecting at any cost.

True......you said it not me.

Well you may find the info you want by readin another ex detective book.

IMO the window is the most important fax of the case......if that wasn't true then neither was anything else.



Put yourself inside the mind of a detective and work it out for yourself

This e-book has been expertly written from the perspective of a retired Police Superintendent detective who served for twenty eight years with Nottinghamshire Police (1972-2000) variously in uniform, CID, training, and latterly as the Operations Commander of a large Division


The "smashed, broken, jemmied shutters", . . . the shutters found "raised" by Kate, as confirmed by Gerry. . . but observed by no one else. At all.


https://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/put-yourself-inside-mind-of-detective.html

[kizzy]

Dear Kizzy,

We have learned an enormous amount, such that OG changed their opinion from thinking Madeleine was murdered to now thinking that she is likely alive.

And there are still clues out there 'Hidden in plain sight' if you look in the right way.   Every month or so, I find something else.

You just have to forget all the disinformation put out and look in a different way.   We have been massively deceived by disinformation ..../ disinformation on a massive scale and everyone followed the same path in their search .... and came to the same, or with some of you, opposing conclusions.   Think out of the box.


I repeat, SY now think it likely that Madeleine lives.   
Matt James, psychic, also believes Madeleine is alive as do all reputable psychics.   Like me, he thinks that she was taken for her very precious sacred bloodline ... and they are trying to reproduce another ' Coming of Christ ', by breeding from her.


I dont think that she has been physically hurt or damaged in any way, but kept pure.

Hello Sadie, nice to see your still posting on forum...hoping your well. x

You have your theory I know ...but mine is very different to yours.

At least though it is good to see...you have what happened to Maddie fore front in your mind as I do.

So many missing from thread [moderators] as well as others  Starti Angelo G-Unit and Brietta. really hope they are all well.

[kizzy]

Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)


 

Why would you think that funny...seem to remember CC was washed.

The very last thing Maddie held....washed away.

So if CC was washed ......so would the rest of things.


Can you actually come up with a coherent and credible alternative explanation for why so many top government, PR, police, lawyers and state security officials positively swarmed like locusts into that little village of Praia da Luz, all in just those first few days?

[Vertigo Swirl]

whose reputations needed protecting at any cost.

True......you said it not me.

Well you may find the info you want by readin another ex detective book.

IMO the window is the most important fax of the case......if that wasn't true then neither was anything else.



Put yourself inside the mind of a detective and work it out for yourself

This e-book has been expertly written from the perspective of a retired Police Superintendent detective who served for twenty eight years with Nottinghamshire Police (1972-2000) variously in uniform, CID, training, and latterly as the Operations Commander of a large Division


The "smashed, broken, jemmied shutters", . . . the shutters found "raised" by Kate, as confirmed by Gerry. . . but observed by no one else. At all.


https://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/put-yourself-inside-mind-of-detective.html

Once again, I find myself in profound agreement with the salient points of your post.  It all boils down to the jemmied shutter, which was never jemmied.  Gerry just said it was jemmied having forgotten that he forgot to jemmy it in the first place, the silly billy.   Now, if only he’d actually jemmied it when he should have jemmied it, it then everyone would have fallen for thr abduction hoax, even Amaral, and possibly even you.  Makes ya think dunnit.  So, I wonder what the McCanns have that makes them so incredibly important to not one but several successive British governments.  I bet if Jeremy Corbyn had been PM he’d have put a stop to all this sinister protectionism and put them McCanns both in jail where they truly belong.  Oh Jeremy Corbyn.  Such a missed opportunity for J4M.