The Opinion of a ‘PROPER’ Criminologist.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thanks Vertigo.
Yes, a similar sounding crime, but only stab wounds. Why didn't LM simply stab Jodi if he wanted to kill someone?
And notice the Bailey murderer claimed to hear voices too!
I think there are more similarities to the Ripper murders.
But yes, many people ask why no other murders have taken place in Dalkeith if the killer is still at large, is it possible that they are being kept under control by psychotic drugs? This has been suggested as you know.
Do you think mysogyny came into the murder of Jodi, Vertigo? Do you think LM was a mysogynist?
Judging by his life style, it doesn't really look like Luke had a dislike for women does it?
Wonder what the FBI report said? Didn't agree that Luke fitted the profile of Jodi's killer anyway!
Its a mystery, Vertigo, its a mystery!

I think there are far more similarities between the LM killing and that of his American counterpart than there are with the Jack the Ripper murders tbh.  “Only stab wounds”?  There were dozens of them.  Talk about overkill! IMO all men and boys are misogynists to varying degreesing degrees, though most won’t admit it.   Was LM motivated to kill by misogyny?  No idea.  It’s possible.  Girls are weaker than boys and easier to lure to a rendezvous and overcome with violence.  I don’t know what you mean by “it doesn’t look like Luke had a dislike for women” - what do you base that opinion on?  Isn’t he alleged to have pulled a knife on another of his (many) girlfriends?  Did the little American tw.. have a dislike for women?

[Joe Blogs]

I think there are far more similarities between the LM killing and that of his American counterpart than there are with the Jack the Ripper murders tbh.  “Only stab wounds”?  There were dozens of them.  Talk about overkill! IMO all men and boys are misogynists to varying degreesing degrees, though most won’t admit it.   Was LM motivated to kill by misogyny?  No idea.  It’s possible.  Girls are weaker than boys and easier to lure to a rendezvous and overcome with violence.  I don’t know what you mean by “it doesn’t look like Luke had a dislike for women” - what do you base that opinion on?  Isn’t he alleged to have pulled a knife on another of his (many) girlfriends?  Did the little American tw.. have a dislike for women?

Yes, there was certainly overkill with the American case you mention, Vertigo! And yes, the boy was fourteen!
But alas, there the similarities end with the Ripper/Jodi murders. There was no dehumanisation nor mysogynistic disfigurement of the victims face! 'All men and boys are mysogynists to varying degrees'? Wow, i'm saying nothing!!
Anyway, as you know, Prof Wilson stated that the Ripper victims faces were attacked to dehumanize the victms by someone with mysogynistic leanings, a woman [ censored word ] as it were!
I think this may be one of the reasons the FBI report dismissed LM as the killer, he was a normal loving boyfriend, which was backed up by Jodi's diary's apparently!
Luke just doesn't fit the profile of Jodi's killer, Vertigo! Thats all there is about it!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, there was certainly overkill with the American case you mention, Vertigo! And yes, the boy was fourteen!
But alas, there the similarities end with the Ripper/Jodi murders. There was no dehumanisation nor mysogynistic disfigurement of the victims face! 'All men and boys are mysogynists to varying degrees'? Wow, i'm saying nothing!!
Anyway, as you know, Prof Wilson stated that the Ripper victims faces were attacked to dehumanize the victms by someone with mysogynistic leanings, a woman [ censored word ] as it were!
I think this may be one of the reasons the FBI report dismissed LM as the killer, he was a normal loving boyfriend, which was backed up by Jodi's diary's apparently!
Luke just doesn't fit the profile of Jodi's killer, Vertigo! Thats all there is about it!

LOL, if you say so Joe, but that’s merely an opinion.  The girl in America was stabbed 114 times.  The tip of the knife was found embedded in her skull.  How do you know there was no facial disfigurement? The first 2 of the Ripper’s victims were not facially disfigured as I recall.  Anything else? 

[Joe Blogs]

LOL, if you say so Joe, but that’s merely an opinion.  The girl in America was stabbed 114 times.  The tip of the knife was found embedded in her skull.  How do you know there was no facial disfigurement? The first 2 of the Ripper’s victims were not facially disfigured as I recall.  Anything else?

No. I cant add much more to the argument at the moment, Vertigo!
Maybe someone else can?

[Kenmair]

Mitchell's crimes were more similar to the Yorkshire Ripper Sutcliffe. Lured to a secluded spot, attacked over the head to incapacitate then slashed/stabbed. There's no argument that Mitchell's murder wasn't extreme overkill or dehumanization wanting to cause maximum offence including trussing his girlfriend up like an animal.

[Joe Blogs]

Mitchell's crimes were more similar to the Yorkshire Ripper Sutcliffe. Lured to a secluded spot, attacked over the head to incapacitate then slashed/stabbed. There's no argument that Mitchell's murder wasn't extreme overkill or dehumanization wanting to cause maximum offence including trussing his girlfriend up like an animal.

Do you think the killer was a mysogynist, Ken?
Has LM ever been accused of being a mysogynist?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you think the killer was a mysogynist, Ken?
Has LM ever been accused of being a mysogynist?

I think Mitchell’s actions speak for themselves.  Misogyny isn’t a clinical diagnosis. 
How would you characterise him?  Kind?  Gentle?  Loveable?  Faithful?  Respectful of women and girls?  The evidence would tend to suggest otherwise and whilst he may have been popular with some girls that doesn’t necessarily mean he was any of the above.  Some of the vilest men alive have no problem attracting women, eg the arch-misogynist Andrew Tate, for example.

[Joe Blogs]

I think Mitchell’s actions speak for themselves.  Misogyny isn’t a clinical diagnosis. 
How would you characterise him?  Kind?  Gentle?  Loveable?  Faithful?  Respectful of women and girls?  The evidence would tend to suggest otherwise and whilst he may have been popular with some girls that doesn’t necessarily mean he was any of the above.  Some of the vilest men alive have no problem attracting women, eg the arch-misogynist Andrew Tate, for example.

Do you think the killer was psychotic, Vertigo?
I suppose you think the cannabis use caused this in LM case?
Was he tested by a psychologist after his arrest? When was he first tested?
Did his psychosis disappear after he was locked up and no longer had access to drugs?
Couldn't the same be said if the killer was someone else outside prison, who cut down their drug consumption to help control any underlying psychosis?
I mean, just say someone had psychotic tendencies and was treated with drugs to control it, but!! they took cannabis instead which put them on a collision course with disaster?
ie., by taking cannabis instead of their prescribed medicine a psychotic episode was induced leading to a frenzied murder!
Subsequently, when devastated by their actions the killer gave up on illegal drugs and took their prescribed medicine on a regular,strict regime in the hope of avoiding any other psychotic breakdowns in future?
Hence why no other murders have taken place since!
What do you think, Vertigo?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you think the killer was psychotic, Vertigo?
I suppose you think the cannabis use caused this in LM case?
Was he tested by a psychologist after his arrest? When was he first tested?
Did his psychosis disappear after he was locked up and no longer had access to drugs?
Couldn't the same be said if the killer was someone else outside prison, who cut down their drug consumption to help control any underlying psychosis?
I mean, just say someone had psychotic tendencies and was treated with drugs to control it, but!! they took cannabis instead which put them on a collision course with disaster?
ie., by taking cannabis instead of their prescribed medicine a psychotic episode was induced leading to a frenzied murder!
Subsequently, when devastated by their actions the killer gave up on illegal drugs and took their prescribed medicine on a regular,strict regime in the hope of avoiding any other psychotic breakdowns in future?
Hence why no other murders have taken place since!
What do you think, Vertigo?

Erm….come again?

[Kenmair]

Erm….come again?

Incredible mental gymnastics from JB/SL trying to implicate a family member when there is not a shred of evidence to support her theory. In reality it all goes back to LM's claim that it was someone else. Even his own mum was caught out years later in a YouTube video contradicting herself from previous claims. JB/SL will not respond to anything negative relating to LM and put forward bizarre unrelated points. Whether LM is a misogynist, psychopath, etc doesn't really matter. His actions before/after the murder are testament to his guilt.

[faithlilly]

Incredible mental gymnastics from JB/SL trying to implicate a family member when there is not a shred of evidence to support her theory. In reality it all goes back to LM's claim that it was someone else. Even his own mum was caught out years later in a YouTube video contradicting herself from previous claims. JB/SL will not respond to anything negative relating to LM and put forward bizarre unrelated points. Whether LM is a misogynist, psychopath, etc doesn't really matter. His actions before/after the murder are testament to his guilt.

You seem to be suggesting that there was a family member who presented as psychotic with a history of violence. Am I correct?

[Kenmair]

You seem to be suggesting that there was a family member who presented as psychotic with a history of violence. Am I correct?

No. Even by your efforts that was a poor attempt at trolling/mental gymnastics to ignore the point.

[Joe Blogs]

I was just thinking, would the SCCRC have the authority to request the full un-redacted FBI report from the police?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was just thinking, would the SCCRC have the authority to request the full un-redacted FBI report from the police?

I’d like to know upon what scientific basis the FBI decided that a sexually active 14 year would be unable to commit a murder which involved genital mutilation.

[Joe Blogs]

I’d like to know upon what scientific basis the FBI decided that a sexually active 14 year would be unable to commit a murder which involved genital mutilation.

Well, thats why it would be handy to see the report, Vertigo!
Not sure if science comes into it, it was more of a psychological evaluation, was it not?