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Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #255 on: March 18, 2025, 08:56:20 PM »

Firstly yes mobile phone carriers do hold text messages for months and often years.

Secondly please point out to me in the transcripts or the reports of the trial still on the internet where Bryson said that she saw a couple arguing or that Jodi was seen crying that afternoon?
On the contrary, didn't Judith say that Jodi was in good spirits when told that she could meet Luke that day,leaving in a very happy mood?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #256 on: March 18, 2025, 09:07:55 PM »
Why would I need a plan from IB when I've walked the route several times? I know where it is and it's not even halfway. Almost as though you are copying SL's distortions and inaccuracies to gain credence.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2024/02/transcript-comparison-comparison.html

And I think that you’re trying to deflect.

When did Jodi find out about Kimberly?
At school as suggested by MA? Then why no word of it in her texts to him and why was she so happy when her mum ungrounded her?
At the beginning of the path? Then why go down the path at all with him? If she was ‘mucking about’ in Easthouses there would be no need for her to be on the path.

Or just maybe she had arranged to walk down the path to Newbattle to meet Luke but didn’t want her mum to know that she walking it alone so deleted the texts from her mum’s phone and pretended that she was meeting Luke in Easthouses? No row just a terrible misjudgment that cost Jodi her life.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #257 on: March 18, 2025, 09:08:41 PM »
No Ken, I said the 'V' break was simply two thirds along 'RDP'. I didn't mention where it was in relation to either of the houses. I didn't mention how long it took to reach the 'V' from Jodi or Lukes house either.
I am not interested in timings, only the fact that Jodi was murdered so far away from Easthouses where she was supposed to be mucking about.
That, is the point I am making, Kenny.

Now now JB Lean. The V break is exactly halfway along the RDP - so still not two thirds, and is closer to EH than NB. You're basing your argument on what a teenage girl told her mum then said kids are unreliable. There is no logic to any of your posts - its just trolling, much like the serial killer suggestion.

Do you think DF QC would have stood up in court and said he's not interested in timings? If they were supposed to be mucking about in Easthouses why did LM stay at the end of NBA Crescent for over an hour.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #258 on: March 18, 2025, 09:09:41 PM »
On the contrary, didn't Judith say that Jodi was in good spirits when told that she could meet Luke that day,leaving in a very happy mood?

Yes she did but unfortunately that doesn’t fit the narrative.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #259 on: March 18, 2025, 09:14:20 PM »
Now now JB Lean. The V break is exactly halfway along the RDP - so still not two thirds, and is closer to EH than NB. You're basing your argument on what a teenage girl told her mum then said kids are unreliable. There is no logic to any of your posts - its just trolling, much like the serial killer suggestion.

Do you think DF QC would have stood up in court and said he's not interested in timings? If they were supposed to be mucking about in Easthouses why did LM stay at the end of NBA Crescent for over an hour.

What do you think of Judith’s lack of concern when, if she was to meet Luke in Easthouses, that her daughter wasn’t with him 50 minutes after leaving home? That for me raises huge red flags.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #260 on: March 18, 2025, 09:20:02 PM »
And I think that you’re trying to deflect.

When did Jodi find out about Kimberly?
At school as suggested by MA? Then why no word of it in her texts to him and why was she so happy when her mum ungrounded her?
At the beginning of the path? Then why go down the path at all with him? If she was ‘mucking about’ in Easthouses there would be no need for her to be on the path.

Or just maybe she had arranged to walk down the path to Newbattle to meet Luke but didn’t want her mum to know that she walking it alone so deleted the texts from her mum’s phone and pretended that she was meeting Luke in Easthouses? No row just a terrible misjudgment that cost Jodi her life.

I'm not deflecting anything. I'm showing the regularity of JB/SL's need to distort facts, or lie. No idea when [Name removed] found out about KT. My belief is they met at the EH end of the RDP and went down the woods side for a smoke and to talk things over. She/they weren't on the RDP - they went to the area where they had carved their name.

There's a lot of "what if's" in yours and JB Lean's posts - ultimately the jury didn't believe LM/CM's account - one look at the LM police interview and CM's testimony proves it's all lies. His brother never saw him and he was witnessed at both ends of RDP, pre/post murder and 8 people testified in court he had the same jacket pre-murder.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #261 on: March 18, 2025, 09:58:50 PM »
I'm not deflecting anything. I'm showing the regularity of JB/SL's need to distort facts, or lie. No idea when [Name removed] found out about KT. My belief is they met at the EH end of the RDP and went down the woods side for a smoke and to talk things over. She/they weren't on the RDP - they went to the area where they had carved their name.

There's a lot of "what if's" in yours and JB Lean's posts - ultimately the jury didn't believe LM/CM's account - one look at the LM police interview and CM's testimony proves it's all lies. His brother never saw him and he was witnessed at both ends of RDP, pre/post murder and 8 people testified in court he had the same jacket pre-murder.

So it doesn’t raise questions in your mind that Bryson’s first couple of statements put her sighting at a couple different time or that her description of the male was not only older than Luke but that she categorically denied that the jacket she saw the youth wearing was not a parka?

Like you I do believe that Fleming and Walsh saw Luke that night, the description of a hip length shiny green jacket certainly sounds like Luke’s bomber jacket, but that they saw him far further down to the abbey than their court testimony suggested. The jogger’s position certainly suggests this.

Shane said he couldn’t be sure if he’d seen him.

The first thing that David High said when giving his testimony was that Luke had a parka after the murder not before. Of course Turnbull took him back to his April statement where he said the opposite but who knows what pressure was put on the young lad to tell the police what they wanted. It will be interesting to see how sure other witnesses were in relation to the parka.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #262 on: March 18, 2025, 10:02:46 PM »
Do you mean premeditated for weeks or months, Mr Apples? It could hardly have been premeditated on the day of the murder, as LM couldn't have known that Jodi would be ungrounded at 4.30 that day.
Thats what I was saying, if LM is guilty then he must have decided on the spur of the moment to kill Jodi that day, albeit having had those thoughts in his mind for weeks or months before hand.
But of course, this takes us back to the sheer stupidity of his alleged actions, rushing to kill Jodi with others knowing they were going to meet at that time, ie, Jodi's family. Does this make sense?
Of course, you cover the other option , Mr Apples, of Luke killing Jodi in an unplanned fit of rage about Kim, but if this is the case, why did Luke 'allegedly' change his clothes before leaving to meet Jodi?
You also say that LM found out on the spot that he enjoyed killing Jodi, but again, only a psychopath could have inflicted the horrific post mortem injuries surely?
I dont think there is actually any evidence of Luke being mentally ill in any way, is there?
Anyway, the prosecution claim that LM and Jodi met at the Easthouses end of RDP as witnessesd by Andrina Bryson, yet Jodi's body was not found in that area.
Jodi's body was actually found at the 'v' break, roughly two thirds along RDP in the Newbattle direction.
So again, you could argue that this backs up LM claim of meeting at his mums house in Newballe.
For want of a better description, you could say that Jodi did indeed appear to be heading to Lukes house in Newbattle when she was attacked behind the 'v' break!
Indeed, why would Jodi end up two thirds along RDP if the claim by Judith was that Jodi told her that she would be mucking about in Easthouses?
Isn't the logical answer, that Luke was telling the truth and Jodi was indeed on her way to his house when she was attacked?
It is suggested that Luke/Jodi were arguing when Andrina Bryson saw them and that a blazing row ensued, but if this is the case, Jodi certainly wouldn't be in any mood to go home with Luke for the evening, so how on earth did Luke manage to persuade Jodi to walk two thirds back along the path heading for Newbattle?

The prosecution case simply fails on a lot of points, Mr Apples.

I think it wasn't premeditated, if I was pushed to go with my gut feeling. Premeditation, however, could have been lingering in his subconscious for months, weeks, days --  ready to come to the fore at any moment. I wouldn't rule premeditation out, by any means. I think Parky made an interesting point about what AB saw: she said the male standing at the top of the entrance to RDP had his arms by his side and palms outstretched, gesticulating to the girl; Parky suggested the male was 'beckoning' the girl to come with him westbound along the RDP to Newbattle, possibly having made up his mind to lure her behind that wall for a joint and murder her there (ie, premeditated). Certainly a plausible theory, but, given the time of evening and the time of year, I think premeditation was unlikely (even though the murder site itself was off the beaten path). But, you're right: it didn't make any sense for him to go out and do what he did, especially as Judith knew he was the only one who was to meet with Jodi that night; that's why I think the 'lost it in a blind rage' theory is more likely. I think they decided to go to the area behind the V away from prying eyes for a quick smoke/joint as it was sometimes used as a rendezvous point at the time for teens to drink alcohol and smoke marijuana, etc -- and their falling out at school/argument continued as they were walking down the RDP and LM snapped. (I remember reading somewhere that people testified in court that they thought LM & Jodi had had an argument in school as they had their backs to one another during an interval or luchtime on 30.06.03, which would make sense, since a newspaper article stated that Jodi had her head on the desk with her hands covering it and was crying.) Luke changing clothes before heading out to meet Jodi can be explained away by common sense: most teenagers change out of their school clothes when they get home, especially when they are going out to socialise for the evening; also, it was overcast that day and threatening to rain -- this probably explains why LM opted to wear a jacket with a hood (ie, his parka). The V-break in the wall is literally a mere 10 minute walk from Jodi's home and about 15 minutes from LM's, and LM moved the body 16.3 meters west from the V, out of necessity; where he moved the body to was off the beaten path, amongst many trees, shrubs and foilage (suggesting it was a local person who did it, as only they would know to move the body there, hidden). As for Jodi being persuaded to walk down the path after a row, it was only a teenagers' tiff. Besides, Jodi really liked Luke and he was her first serious boyfriend; she'd even put in her diary that she thought she loved him and would die if he finished with her, so probably had forgiven him and was willing to fight for their relationship. It was LM's disproportionately bad temper that escalated into murder. Just because some professional assessed him as not being mentally ill, doesn't mean he wasn't ; it is not an exact science. Maybe he was only mentally ill during the time he murdered Jodi. As discussed, there were signs he was troubled from as young as 7, and was referred for psychological counselling in both primary school and high school. Also, sometimes, things like murder just cannot be explained and are anomalous and beyond human understanding.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #263 on: March 18, 2025, 10:06:53 PM »
I think it wasn't premeditated, if I was pushed to go with my gut feeling. Premeditation, however, could have been lingering in his subconscious for months, weeks, days --  ready to come to the fore at any moment. I wouldn't rule premeditation out, by any means. I think Parky made an interesting point about what AB saw: she said the male standing at the top of the entrance to RDP had his arms by his side and palms outstretched, gesticulating to the girl; Parky suggested the male was 'beckoning' the girl to come with him westbound along the RDP to Newbattle, possibly having made up his mind to lure her behind that wall for a joint and murder her there (ie, premeditated). Certainly a plausible theory, but, given the time of evening and the time of year, I think premeditation was unlikely (even though the murder site itself was off the beaten path). But, you're right: it didn't make any sense for him to go out and do what he did, especially as Judith knew he was the only one who was to meet with Jodi that night; that's why I think the 'lost it in a blind rage' theory is more likely. I think they decided to go to the area behind the V away from prying eyes for a quick smoke/joint as it was sometimes used as a rendezvous point at the time for teens to drink alcohol and smoke marijuana, etc -- and their falling out at school/argument continued as they were walking down the RDP and LM snapped. (I remember reading somewhere that people testified in court that they thought LM & Jodi had had an argument in school as they had their backs to one another during an interval or luchtime on 30.06.03, which would make sense, since a newspaper article stated that Jodi had her head on the desk with her hands covering it and was crying.) Luke changing clothes before heading out to meet Jodi can be explained away by common sense: most teenagers change out of their school clothes when they get home, especially when they are going out to socialise for the evening; also, it was overcast that day and threatening to rain -- this probably explains why LM opted to wear a jacket with a hood (ie, his parka). The V-break in the wall is literally a mere 10 minute walk from Jodi's home and about 15 minutes from LM's, and LM moved the body 16.3 meters west from the V, out of necessity; where he moved the body to was off the beaten path, amongst many trees, shrubs and foilage (suggesting it was a local person who did it, as only they would know to move the body there, hidden). As for Jodi being persuaded to walk down the path after a row, it was only a teenagers' tiff. Besides, Jodi really liked Luke and he was her first serious boyfriend; she'd even put in her diary that she thought she loved him and would die if he finished with her, so probably had forgiven him and was willing to fight for their relationship. It was LM's disproportionately bad temper that escalated into murder. Just because some professional assessed him as not being mentally ill, doesn't mean he wasn't ; it is not an exact science. Maybe he was only mentally ill during the time he murdered Jodi. As discussed, there were signs he was troubled from as young as 7, and was referred for psychological counselling in both primary school and high school. Also, sometimes, things like murder just cannot be explained and are anomalous and beyond human understanding.

Citation please?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #264 on: March 18, 2025, 10:10:56 PM »

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #265 on: March 18, 2025, 10:19:36 PM »
I think it wasn't premeditated, if I was pushed to go with my gut feeling. Premeditation, however, could have been lingering in his subconscious for months, weeks, days --  ready to come to the fore at any moment. I wouldn't rule premeditation out, by any means. I think Parky made an interesting point about what AB saw: she said the male standing at the top of the entrance to RDP had his arms by his side and palms outstretched, gesticulating to the girl; Parky suggested the male was 'beckoning' the girl to come with him westbound along the RDP to Newbattle, possibly having made up his mind to lure her behind that wall for a joint and murder her there (ie, premeditated). Certainly a plausible theory, but, given the time of evening and the time of year, I think premeditation was unlikely (even though the murder site itself was off the beaten path). But, you're right: it didn't make any sense for him to go out and do what he did, especially as Judith knew he was the only one who was to meet with Jodi that night; that's why I think the 'lost it in a blind rage' theory is more likely. I think they decided to go to the area behind the V away from prying eyes for a quick smoke/joint as it was sometimes used as a rendezvous point at the time for teens to drink alcohol and smoke marijuana, etc -- and their falling out at school/argument continued as they were walking down the RDP and LM snapped. (I remember reading somewhere that people testified in court that they thought LM & Jodi had had an argument in school as they had their backs to one another during an interval or luchtime on 30.06.03, which would make sense, since a newspaper article stated that Jodi had her head on the desk with her hands covering it and was crying.) Luke changing clothes before heading out to meet Jodi can be explained away by common sense: most teenagers change out of their school clothes when they get home, especially when they are going out to socialise for the evening; also, it was overcast that day and threatening to rain -- this probably explains why LM opted to wear a jacket with a hood (ie, his parka). The V-break in the wall is literally a mere 10 minute walk from Jodi's home and about 15 minutes from LM's, and LM moved the body 16.3 meters west from the V, out of necessity; where he moved the body to was off the beaten path, amongst many trees, shrubs and foilage (suggesting it was a local person who did it, as only they would know to move the body there, hidden). As for Jodi being persuaded to walk down the path after a row, it was only a teenagers' tiff. Besides, Jodi really liked Luke and he was her first serious boyfriend; she'd even put in her diary that she thought she loved him and would die if he finished with her, so probably had forgiven him and was willing to fight for their relationship. It was LM's disproportionately bad temper that escalated into murder. Just because some professional assessed him as not being mentally ill, doesn't mean he wasn't ; it is not an exact science. Maybe he was only mentally ill during the time he murdered Jodi. As discussed, there were signs he was troubled from as young as 7, and was referred for psychological counselling in both primary school and high school. Also, sometimes, things like murder just cannot be explained and are anomalous and beyond human understanding.
When did Luke tie Jodi's hands behind her back, Mr Apples, and why?

Offline Joe Blogs

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #266 on: March 18, 2025, 10:30:08 PM »
Now now JB Lean. The V break is exactly halfway along the RDP - so still not two thirds, and is closer to EH than NB. You're basing your argument on what a teenage girl told her mum then said kids are unreliable. There is no logic to any of your posts - its just trolling, much like the serial killer suggestion.

Do you think DF QC would have stood up in court and said he's not interested in timings? If they were supposed to be mucking about in Easthouses why did LM stay at the end of NBA Crescent for over an hour.
Exactly half way? Doesn't look like that to me , Ken!
Luke stayed in Newbattle for over an hour because Jodi was going to meet him there, and there is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this.

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #267 on: March 18, 2025, 10:30:33 PM »
When did Luke tie Jodi's hands behind her back, Mr Apples, and why?

After he murdered her. Used a granny knot (probably learned in the army cadets or from whoever took him fishing and camping; LM loved outdoor and survival pursuits). I suspect he did it before the post-mortem mutilations. Why? Because he was psychopath and narcissist, displaying a form of showmanship and leaving his mark/calling card.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #268 on: March 18, 2025, 10:32:05 PM »
For which part (s)?

Apologies this

‘ I remember reading somewhere that people testified in court that they thought LM & Jodi had had an argument in school as they had their backs to one another during an interval or luchtime on 30.06.03, which would make sense, since a newspaper article stated that Jodi had her head on the desk with her hands covering it and was crying.’
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: Luke Mitchell - All quiet?
« Reply #269 on: March 18, 2025, 10:44:54 PM »
Exactly half way? Doesn't look like that to me , Ken!
Luke stayed in Newbattle for over an hour because Jodi was going to meet him there, and there is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this.

It's exactly halfway. I've walked RDP a few times, but you've recently said times/distances don't matter so why are you disputing it? Prove otherwise please? Why would LM stay in NB if they were going to be mucking about in EH as you claim? You've contradicted yourself once again.