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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2025, 09:47:04 AM »

But a defendant is 'presumed innocent' until proven guilty. They're not presumed 'not guilty'???
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Offline faithlilly

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2025, 03:07:23 PM »
Firstly, I don’t think the reputations of either set of suspects could be any more harmed unless found guilty in which case obviously yes.
Secondly,
“ What's the difference between "innocent" and "not guilty"?

In short, "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent." Innocent means that a person did not commit the crime. Not guilty means that the prosecution could not prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a person committed the crime. Therefore, the court does not pronounce someone as “innocent” but rather “not guilty”.

It’s not semantics Faithlilly.   

Thirdly, if the McCanns were pronounced not guilty by any court you and your mates would be howling about an establishment cover up and a travesty of justice I can 99.99% guarantee it.  And at that point you’d be very careful to refer to them as “found not guilty” instead of “proven innocent” I’m sure.

Fair enough. So by the same reasoning, the parents were never cleared of any part in their daughter’s abduction….the PJ just lacked sufficient evidence to charge them.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2025, 03:27:42 PM »
Fair enough. So by the same reasoning, the parents were never cleared of any part in their daughter’s abduction….the PJ just lacked sufficient evidence to charge them.

Amaral did his best to make it up. Short of putting a bag over her head and beating her.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2025, 05:32:02 PM »
Fair enough. So by the same reasoning, the parents were never cleared of any part in their daughter’s abduction….the PJ just lacked sufficient evidence to charge them.
Correct. Same as Murat, same as CB and all the other arguidos over the years.  Of course they can’t all have been involved…can they?
PS: you used the A word.  Oops!
« Last Edit: January 18, 2025, 05:53:40 PM by Captain Cringe »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2025, 05:34:01 PM »
But a defendant is 'presumed innocent' until proven guilty. They're not presumed 'not guilty'???
Presumed being the operative word there.  Don’t complain to me about it, it’s the way the law is.  Defendants are not found innocent, they are simply found not guilty as the prosecution case did not demonstrate guilt beyond reasonable doubt. 
"Presumption of innocence" serves to emphasize that the prosecution has the obligation to prove each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt (or some other level of proof depending on the criminal justice system) and that the accused bears no burden of proof.“
« Last Edit: January 18, 2025, 05:57:11 PM by Captain Cringe »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2025, 06:30:23 PM »
Presumed being the operative word there.  Don’t complain to me about it, it’s the way the law is.  Defendants are not found innocent, they are simply found not guilty as the prosecution case did not demonstrate guilt beyond reasonable doubt. 
"Presumption of innocence" serves to emphasize that the prosecution has the obligation to prove each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt (or some other level of proof depending on the criminal justice system) and that the accused bears no burden of proof.“

My you do like your rabbit holes. I’m sure your semantics won’t matter to Hazel Behan
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2025, 06:49:24 PM »
My you do like your rabbit holes. I’m sure your semantics won’t matter to Hazel Behan
What a very odd (but typically snide) post.  I doubt Hazel Behan is reading this and I don’t know where rabbit holes come into it, just pointing out plain old boring facts.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2025, 06:56:30 PM »
Here’s another fact.  Christian Bruckner has not been cleared of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.  This means he can expect the finger of suspicion to be firmly pointing at him probably for the rest of his life.  He can try and sue HCW but as we saw from the McCanns v Amaral case the ECHR will be on Wolters’ side.  Oh dear what a shame. In fact I hope HCW makes a million writing a book about it, revealing his “thesis” about what happened that night.  That would be fun.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2025, 06:58:33 PM by Captain Cringe »
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2025, 07:33:33 PM »

No. I'd be more interested in Brueckner's book & I'm hoping he releases a movie.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2025, 07:45:45 PM »
What a very odd (but typically snide) post.  I doubt Hazel Behan is reading this and I don’t know where rabbit holes come into it, just pointing out plain old boring facts.

I doubt she is either, poor girl. I hope she has the support around her that she needs.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2025, 07:48:17 PM »
Here’s another fact.  Christian Bruckner has not been cleared of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.  This means he can expect the finger of suspicion to be firmly pointing at him probably for the rest of his life.  He can try and sue HCW but as we saw from the McCanns v Amaral case the ECHR will be on Wolters’ side.  Oh dear what a shame. In fact I hope HCW makes a million writing a book about it, revealing his “thesis” about what happened that night.  That would be fun.

I’d buy that book….it would certainly be interesting to discover what evidence he ACTUALLY had.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2025, 08:13:38 PM »
Here’s another fact.  Christian Bruckner has not been cleared of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.  This means he can expect the finger of suspicion to be firmly pointing at him probably for the rest of his life.  He can try and sue HCW but as we saw from the McCanns v Amaral case the ECHR will be on Wolters’ side.  Oh dear what a shame. In fact I hope HCW makes a million writing a book about it, revealing his “thesis” about what happened that night.  That would be fun.

Well now, this is an excellent idea.  I would buy that one. And I bet it would be a jolly sight more interesting than Amaral's book ever was.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2025, 08:16:32 PM »
No. I'd be more interested in Brueckner's book & I'm hoping he releases a movie.
Don’t hold your breath for that.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2025, 08:20:42 PM »
No. I'd be more interested in Brueckner's book & I'm hoping he releases a movie.

You would be, although I am not sure what this might say about your proclivities. Probably nothing much at all beyond you being all mouth and no trousers.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2025, 08:30:40 PM »
I doubt she is either, poor girl. I hope she has the support around her that she needs.
It’s worth repeating some of her evidence here, to remind ourselves what she went through and how convinced she was that her assailant was sat in court opposite her.

“When you spend time in a situation like that with a person and there’s nothing else you can see on this human except their eyes, it’s the only thing you can remember. They bored into my skull. I’ll never forget it,” she said. She added that she thought the effect of her attacker’s eyes was intensified by the fact that otherwise he was completely dressed in black.

“They were just so blue … everything so dark … they were like lights, they were so bright. I just know them,” she said.

She said she suffered from recurring post-traumatic stress disorder and frequent panic attacks as a result of the assault. The court was shown pictures of scars on the backs of her legs that remain to this day, from where she was tied with rope to a breakfast bar during the prolonged attack at the flat where she lived.

She also said she still bled from wounds received during the violent attack.

Her attacker had been masked and was covered head to toe in a leotard-style body suit of about 60-denier thickness, and wore leather, or fake leather, gloves, she said, adding that only his eyes had been visible.

He spoke to her in English, in what she said was a German accent.

Over two days, Behan told the court in graphic detail how she was repeatedly raped, whipped and tied up in her apartment, the attacker filming the ordeal on a camera he had set up on top of the television in her room. The attacker threatened her, saying: “If you scream, I’ll kill you.” At one point she said she feared she would be beheaded after he wielded a knife at her.“

So, somewhere in the Algarve is a violent German rapist with piercing blue eyes who likes to enter women’s homes, dressed in a mask to inflict torture on his victims, who also videos his attacks but who ISN’T the German rapist with piercing blue eyes who committed a very similar rape on an American woman and who was seen committing other similar rapes on a video by witnesses whose testimony helped bring him to justice.
How utterly incredible.

"You can't reason with the unreasonable".