German Prosecutor has no plans to charge Christian Bruckner.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That you can be guilty and people will still believe you’re not.

Simple.

Oh, like Christian Bruckner you mean? 

[faithlilly]

Perhaps the Greek police were asked by the media if Busching had received any special favours?  I really don’t think it matters one way or the other actually, and I think giving criminals incentives to spill the beans on others is accepted practice is it not? 
As for sentencing you’re the one implying he got a lighter sentence than he should have, not me.  Again not relevant.
The video did exist unless you can come up with a plausible and logical reason why it did not, bearing in mind the detsils of the rapes they described matching those of HB and DM and the forensic evidence that confirmed it was the rapist they said they saw in the video.   Who is this English bar owner?  I know nothing about him or his role in this.  Is he a fine upstanding sort then?  What’s his name?  Is he still alive?  Tell me more.

It is but like information given under torture you’re never quite sure the quality of that information.

Of course incentives are relevant.

How did the tapes match the rapes of Behan and Menkes? Were the Behan and Menkes rapes filmed? Was the elderly lady 40 or 70? What else was similar? As to the pubic hair…have you seen how Portuguese scene of crime officers treat crime scenes? It’s shocking!

As to the bar owner from Santa Clara Fulscher is possibly talking about him here.



‘ He ( Fulscher) pointed out how witnesses they had said had seen 'the rape video' denied having ever set eyes on it and Mr Fulscher said Busching's aim was 'solely to profit from the multi-million reward' in the Madeleine case.’

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is but like information given under torture you’re never quite sure the quality of that information.

Of course incentives are relevant.

How did the tapes match the rapes of Behan and Menkes? Were the Behan and Menkes rapes filmed? Was the elderly lady 40 or 70? What else was similar? As to the pubic hair…have you seen how Portuguese scene of crime officers treat crime scenes? It’s shocking!

As to the bar owner from Santa Clara Fulscher is possibly talking about him here.



‘ He ( Fulscher) pointed out how witnesses they had said had seen 'the rape video' denied having ever set eyes on it and Mr Fulscher said Busching's aim was 'solely to profit from the multi-million reward' in the Madeleine case.’

So now you don’t think Christian Bruckner is a rapist after all?  You don’t see any similarities between what was described on the tapes and the two rapes as described by the victims?  Wow, and only a few years ago you described CB as undoubtedly a danger to women and as Hazel Behan’s probable attacker.  What changed your opinion about him?  Mr Fulscher will of course say anything to cast doubt on the evidence against his client, it’s what lawyers do, did you not know that? Why did he not put these witnesses on the stand himself then? 

ETA - your words “ To me Brueckner is an abhorrent  individual who will always pose a danger to females of any age.” https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11913.msg641593#msg641593

[faithlilly]

So now you don’t think Christian Bruckner is a rapist after all?  You don’t see any similarities between what was described on the tapes and the two rapes as described by the victims?  Wow, and only a few years ago you described CB as undoubtedly a danger to women and as Hazel Behan’s probable attacker.  What changed your opinion about him?  Mr Fulscher will of course say anything to cast doubt on the evidence against his client, it’s what lawyers do, did you not know that? Why did he not put these witnesses on the stand himself then? 

ETA - your words “ To me Brueckner is an abhorrent  individual who will always pose a danger to females of any age.” https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11913.msg641593#msg641593

On you go then. Apart from the things that probably are present in most stranger rapes what are the similarities?

[Vertigo Swirl]

On you go then. Apart from the things that probably are present in most stranger rapes what are the similarities?

OK but first you list all the things that are “probably present in most stranger rapes” just so I’m sure not to include them.
PS: why did you not answer my question about what made you completely chang your mind about the danger CB poses to women?

[The General]

Well I must say, if this is the sum total of the evidence that any of you shower can rake together, then it's a poor show indeed.
Still desperately leaning on a video that clearly never existed and the new Marcia Clark Hansie Wolters alluding to dead Maddie on photos, yet failing to charge CB.

Gotta get another hobo guys; this one wasn't there. Gotta get another prosecutor; this one is sh1te.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well I must say, if this is the sum total of the evidence that any of you shower can rake together, then it's a poor show indeed.
Still desperately leaning on a video that clearly never existed and the new Marcia Clark Hansie Wolters alluding to dead Maddie on photos, yet failing to charge CB.

Gotta get another hobo guys; this one wasn't there. Gotta get another prosecutor; this one is sh1te.

OK, perhaps you can explain the incredible coincidence of the bogus video tape closely matching actual reported rapes and leading to a successful conviction of the perpetrator that was allegedly seen on the video.  Explain the chain of events as you see it.

[The General]

OK, perhaps you can explain the incredible coincidence of the bogus video tape closely matching actual reported rapes and leading to a successful conviction of the perpetrator that was allegedly seen on the video.  Explain the chain of events as you see it.

Collusion. But I can't believe we're discussing the existence or otherwise of a video tape and attempting to compare and contrast using the second-hand testimony of a tainted statement of a drug-addled, people trafficking tramp.
It's not evidence. In Chad or North Korea maybe, but not here guys.

Which events do you need explaining?

But again, where's the evidence? No forensics, no pictures of dead Maddie, flimsy circumstantial evidence. But we do have someone talking about a video tape of a rape that someone saw, but someone swears didn't exist, off a camera that doesn't exist.
Why do you think Busching walked away from all this in a much better position in life than he's experienced for a while? Off the smack, got himself a pad, had a wash. If he continues on this trajectory he'll be Special German Envoy to Trump's cabinet in a few weeks.

Why do the BKA have to come out last week and grovel to the planet? - 'yeh, so, that thing we were convinced of nearly 5 years ago, we can't find any evidence'. Talk about 180's - this is the biggest volte face since the Edict of Milan.
Why?
And why didn't HCW come out and say it himself? Not because he didn't want to I'll bet.
Doesn't the timing strike anyone as odd? Come on man, think about it. We're all about timelines here.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Collusion. But I can't believe we're discussing the existence or otherwise of a video tape and attempting to compare and contrast using the second-hand testimony of a tainted statement of a drug-addled, people trafficking tramp.
It's not evidence. In Chad or North Korea maybe, but not here guys.

Which events do you need explaining?

But again, where's the evidence? No forensics, no pictures of dead Maddie, flimsy circumstantial evidence. But we do have someone talking about a video tape of a rape that someone saw, but someone swears didn't exist, off a camera that doesn't exist.
Why do you think Busching walked away from all this in a much better position in life than he's experienced for a while? Off the smack, got himself a pad, had a wash. If he continues on this trajectory he'll be Special German Envoy to Trump's cabinet in a few weeks.

Why do the BKA have to come out last week and grovel to the planet? - 'yeh, so, that thing we were convinced of nearly 5 years ago, we can't find any evidence'. Talk about 180's - this is the biggest volte face since the Edict of Milan.
Why?
And why didn't HCW come out and say it himself? Not because he didn't want to I'll bet.
Doesn't the timing strike anyone as odd? Come on man, think about it. We're all about timelines here.

What a load of bluster to deflect from the question I asked you.  You think the video tape was invented.  OK so, first question is - why.  Motive.  Why did Busching invent this tale, and why did Seyferth back it up. We can proceed from there when I get back from work later.

[The General]

What a load of bluster to deflect from the question I asked you.  You think the video tape was invented.  OK so, first question is - why.  Motive.  Why did Busching invent this tale, and why did Seyferth back it up. We can proceed from there when I get back from work later.

How dare you, etc.
As I've said, all of this video specualtion is pointless. Whether it exists, existed, never existed, was the same in both crimes, whether Busching and Siefert saw something. None of it is of any use to anyone. It's uncorroborated hearsay. When questioned they clearly colluded, badly, and there may have been some 'memory assistance' from the polus.
But who cares? It's not evidence, a fact that was brought starkly in to the light in the most recent trial. Not only that, but they're now useless, tainted witnesses who weren't believed to be remotely reliable.

So what have we got with this strand? Nothing. Move on.

What do we have? Nowt.
Why did they come out and say as much last week and why then, when the legal process from his acquittal hasn't been completed? Now that is a question worth pursuing.

Here's what I think. The BKA now have to distance themselves from the whole debacle. Damage limitation time.
So they now (reluctantly) proclaim that they have no evidence and charges against CB won't come any time soon. They have to get away from the Doofus Brothers ruining their trial and concentrate on the due process element of the proceedings to have any hope of a successful appeal. They have to try to make it appear that these are two succinct proceedings, with the first having little or no bearing on the first.
The gamble backfired in the most horrible way first time round, so chop the gammy leg off until after the appeal.
Go again with the appeal and start again with a tweaked strategy, although quite what that would be is a mystery, given that they played their hand and it was found to contain the king of stupidity and the jack of incompetence.

[The General]

And.........I haven't finished. The appeal being lodged was mostly a face-saving exercise, they were quick to criticise the judges, even tried to have them removed if memory serves.
Now they have to go back to court and find some way of proving due process wasn't followed or some prejudice was at work (which is chronically ironic and extraordinarily conceited, given the fact that CB will never be able to have a fair, unprejudiced trial, even without a jury). They will attack the post trial comments and summing up, no doubt, probably claiming some bias, although what that could be is yet to be discovered.

What happens when the appeal is denied? Well they tried, 'we were badly done to', 'they were biased', etc. I think they have little to lose as there are no further depths to plumb, with their reputations in tatters.
Would any CB / MM trial even happen in Germany? Would SY intervene? Would there be a public clamour for a trial in England? Is there juristiction?
It's exciting, isn't it everyone?

[The General]

....and.....anyone remember Winnebagogate? You won't, I just made it up.
But Wolters also proclaimed that he had found new evidence making him 'sure' CB killed MM.
The date, remarkably, coincidentally, was around the beginning of May 2022. He didn't say it was the camper van, but he didn't deny it either. The caboose on the loose, found in one of CB's dungeons or secret satanic lairs.
What happened to this almost certainly forensic, tangible evidence?
The procession of let downs would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.
Think of the parents, continually being built up only to be callously disappointed time and again, prolonging the agony and robbing them of closure. [insert crying emoji]

[faithlilly]

....and.....anyone remember Winnebagogate? You won't, I just made it up.
But Wolters also proclaimed that he had found new evidence making him 'sure' CB killed MM.
The date, remarkably, coincidentally, was around the beginning of May 2022. He didn't say it was the camper van, but he didn't deny it either. The caboose on the loose, found in one of CB's dungeons or secret satanic lairs.
What happened to this almost certainly forensic, tangible evidence?
The procession of let downs would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.
Think of the parents, continually being built up only to be callously disappointed time and again, prolonging the agony and robbing them of closure. [insert crying emoji]

Oh the parents have been left in the rear view mirror, along with Madeleine and her siblings, a long time ago.

[Lace]

Both don't include a hobo?

Without the 'Hobo' CB would never have been arrested.

[Lace]

Maybe if Amaral had perservered and found CB just maybe Madeleine could have been saved or at least DNA could have been found to connect him to the crime.  Amaral should have made sure all Paedophiles had been spoken to.