The tracker dogs

[peter claridge]

Jane Tanner sat at the table until the pretend alarm was raised by Kate.

There's no evidence of this.

You're right, Anne, there isn't.  Even the Mcannpjfiles (when it was known as just mccannfiles) at one time had a separate section stressing that the canard that JT never left the table all evening is an inference based on absence of information rather than information.

That is to say that no one in the files remarked on Jane's whereabouts at any given time.

There's no earthly reason why anyone should.

Jes Wilkins states that he didn't pass by during his meeting with Gerry.  Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner's partner and the writer of the first two timelines fails to highlight the claimed second visit of Tanner to their apartment.

No he doesn't.  He says that he doesn't remember seeing her, which is quite different:

The conversation lasted for approximately three to five minutes. We spoke of the care of children and how they were getting along. He told me something like 'he was on night duty'. I explained to him that I was returning to the apartment as my son was now sleeping. I assumed that Gerry was off to dine with the group in the Tapas bar, but I cannot precisely say this came from him or if I figured this out from our previous conversations regarding the checking system for the children. I remember that Gerry told me if he had stayed another week, he would likely do as I was doing and would stay with the children one night. It appeared as though he was jealous of what I was doing, but given that he was with a big group, he felt the obligation to meet with them every night, and the chosen location was the Tapas bar. I believe that there was some sort of agreement with the tapas Bar as they appeared to have a reservation every night and it was impossible for other guests to book at spot there.
I do not know if we were face to face or side to side when this conversation occurred. As I had the pram with me I was rocking it so my son could sleep, it seems to me that I was in the downward direction, but it is possible that I was in the opposite direction.
I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry. After leaving each other, Gerry walked downward in the direction of the Tapas Bar and I began to walk in the other direction, up the pathway. I turned left at the crossing and passed the apartment. I did not meet anyone else during my walk and once in my apartment, I did not venture out again.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry,

Oh, so he did see her but just forgot.
Posting your nonsense in bold doesn't make it any more believable.

[ferryman]

Jes Wilkins states that he didn't pass by during his meeting with Gerry.

Peter Clarigdge


 I do not remember having seen her [Jane Tanner] when I spoke with Gerry,

Jez Wilkins.

[AnneGuedes]

@Peter Clarigdge
It's a quotation !
JW is obviously cautious, as when he indicated a fork of 30 minutes for his chat with GMC.
In a way we can understand him : the matter at stake is really serious.
In his end of October statement to the LC officers, nevertheless, he's adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms allegedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.

[Carana]

@ Anne

I think that the objection is that Peter Claridge declared that Jez had stated that she was not there, when in fact Jez said he hadn't seen her.

There's a nuance.

[AnneGuedes]

a post disappeared...
End of October JW was "adamant he saw no one" whereas six months later he doesn't remember !

[DCI]

Just the one carrier as seen by the Smith family.  Jane Tanner sat at the table until the pretend alarm was raised by Kate.

Another outright LIE!

Jane Tanner, was not in the Tapas bar, when Kate raised the alarm. She stayed in her apartment for her husband to go back, for his meal. She did not return to the bar.

"After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining".

[peter claridge]

Just the one carrier as seen by the Smith family.  Jane Tanner sat at the table until the pretend alarm was raised by Kate.

Another outright LIE!

Jane Tanner, was not in the Tapas bar, when Kate raised the alarm. She stayed in her apartment for her husband to go back, for his meal. She did not return to the bar.

"After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining".

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap19

[DCI]

Just the one carrier as seen by the Smith family.  Jane Tanner sat at the table until the pretend alarm was raised by Kate.

Another outright LIE!

Jane Tanner, was not in the Tapas bar, when Kate raised the alarm. She stayed in her apartment for her husband to go back, for his meal. She did not return to the bar.

"After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining".

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap19

She remembers that at about 21h10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him.

She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children.

Meanwhile a man appeared ( * ) carrying a child (**), with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. She only managed to see him from the side, with the child in his arms. She noticed the individual's presence exactly when she had just passed by Gerry and Jez who were talking, having seen this person step off the pavement that borders on the apartment block where they were staying and rapidly cross the road.

The entrance to the apartment building (1) is exactly at the place (street) where the individual appeared from.

After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife, Kate.

About 15 - 20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Matthew left to check on the children. As her daughter E**e was restless and crying, Russell stayed in the apartment.

Meanwhile Matthew went to check his child and those of Kate and Gerry. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see Madeleine. As there was no noise he supposed that all was well and returned to the restaurant. Matthew informed the witness that Russell had stayed in the apartment.

After having quickly eaten her main course, the witness went to her apartment in order to take over from Russell, so that he could have his dinner.

When she was in the apartment, at about 22h00 - 22h15 she heard Kate and Fiona shouting and saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

When asked, she says that she thinks it was Kate who discovered the girl to be missing, the witness is not sure due not being in the restaurant at that time.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap2

[peter claridge]

Just the one carrier as seen by the Smith family.  Jane Tanner sat at the table until the pretend alarm was raised by Kate.

Another outright LIE!

Jane Tanner, was not in the Tapas bar, when Kate raised the alarm. She stayed in her apartment for her husband to go back, for his meal. She did not return to the bar.

"After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining".

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap19

She remembers that at about 21h10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him.

She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children.

Meanwhile a man appeared ( * ) carrying a child (**), with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. She only managed to see him from the side, with the child in his arms. She noticed the individual's presence exactly when she had just passed by Gerry and Jez who were talking, having seen this person step off the pavement that borders on the apartment block where they were staying and rapidly cross the road.

The entrance to the apartment building (1) is exactly at the place (street) where the individual appeared from.

After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife, Kate.

About 15 - 20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Matthew left to check on the children. As her daughter E**e was restless and crying, Russell stayed in the apartment.

Meanwhile Matthew went to check his child and those of Kate and Gerry. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see Madeleine. As there was no noise he supposed that all was well and returned to the restaurant. Matthew informed the witness that Russell had stayed in the apartment.

After having quickly eaten her main course, the witness went to her apartment in order to take over from Russell, so that he could have his dinner.

When she was in the apartment, at about 22h00 - 22h15 she heard Kate and Fiona shouting and saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

When asked, she says that she thinks it was Kate who discovered the girl to be missing, the witness is not sure due not being in the restaurant at that time.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap2

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap19

[AnneGuedes]

@Lace
How would Gerry know where to hide Madeleine's body so that noone not even the sniffer dogs could find it.
The sniffer dogs don't follow body's scent, they rather avoid it.
If......................., there was an easy place to hide Madeleine's body. I thought of it, no wonder that Gerald, eventually, did too.

[Chinagirl]

@Lace
How would Gerry know where to hide Madeleine's body so that noone not even the sniffer dogs could find it.
The sniffer dogs don't follow body's scent, they rather avoid it.
If......................., there was an easy place to hide Madeleine's body. I thought of it, no wonder that Gerald, eventually, did too.

What does this mean "........."??   What easy place to hide the body?  Please explain.

[Carana]

@Lace
How would Gerry know where to hide Madeleine's body so that noone not even the sniffer dogs could find it.
The sniffer dogs don't follow body's scent, they rather avoid it.
If......................., there was an easy place to hide Madeleine's body. I thought of it, no wonder that Gerald, eventually, did too.

What does this mean "........."??   What easy place to hide the body?  Please explain.

Ditto. Where would have been an easy place?

[AnneGuedes]

@Lace
How would Gerry know where to hide Madeleine's body so that noone not even the sniffer dogs could find it.
The sniffer dogs don't follow body's scent, they rather avoid it.
If......................., there was an easy place to hide Madeleine's body. I thought of it, no wonder that Gerald, eventually, did too.

What does this mean "........."??   What easy place to hide the body?  Please explain.

Ditto. Where would have been an easy place?

Hi Carana !
This is a purely hypothetical reaction to the "How would Gerry know where to hide Madeleine's body so that noone not even the sniffer dogs could find it?" from Lace.
Easy for a pragmatic person like GMC, supposing of course the motive is crucial.

[AnneGuedes]

Much more interesting is the tracker dogs issue. I regret that so few posters are interested in this threat that devilsavocate (I wish he were one..) launched and never inhabited.

[AnneGuedes]

I wonder what makes threads die.