Author Topic: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive  (Read 13189 times)

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debunker

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Any takers?

Rachel Granada

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Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

Offline Carana

There are so many dog threads that I get lost.

debunker

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There are so many dog threads that I get lost.

This isn't dogs; it's the science bit.

Offline Benice

There are so many dog threads that I get lost.

This isn't dogs; it's the science bit.

I think I have read your explanation before DB, and although I got the gist of it, it proved too technical in parts for me to completely comprehend.  (that's my fault not yours btw).

If it's possible to explain in 'Janet and John' language - then I would be most interested in reading it.





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Offline DevilsAdvocate

The floor is your's DB...

icabodcrane

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Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

What facts ?

... havn't seen any proposed on this thread so far

What, exactly,  are we meant to be  'confronting'  here

registrar

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Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

What facts ?

... havn't seen any proposed on this thread so far

What, exactly,  are we meant to be  'confronting'  here

you seem to use 'we' an awful lot

is that the Royal we?

registrar

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I'd try and get my money back from that 2 day NLP programme you attended


Offline DevilsAdvocate

I'd try and get my money back from that 2 day NLP programme you attended

And petty sniping progresses the debate how ?

icabodcrane

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Re: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2013, 12:42:45 AM »
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Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

What facts ?

... havn't seen any proposed on this thread so far

What, exactly,  are we meant to be  'confronting'  here

you seem to use 'we' an awful lot

is that the Royal we?

Not at all

...  just a subconcious longing for companionship, perhaps 

It can be a very lonely on this board, at times,  when you do not march to the required McCann drum  8)-)))

debunker

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Re: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 06:54:55 AM »
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Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

What facts ?

... havn't seen any proposed on this thread so far

What, exactly,  are we meant to be  'confronting'  here

you seem to use 'we' an awful lot

is that the Royal we?

No. It is called the 'inclusive we'- seeking to include a group of people in a proposed action as in 'shall we go to the pub?' Simple English usage. Silly point-scoring on your part.

I will develop this thread today.

debunker

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Re: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 06:55:52 AM »
Any takers?


Seems to be a deafening silence when confronted with facts.

What facts ?

... havn't seen any proposed on this thread so far

What, exactly,  are we meant to be  'confronting'  here

you seem to use 'we' an awful lot

is that the Royal we?

Not at all

...  just a subconcious longing for companionship, perhaps 

It can be a very lonely on this board, at times,  when you do not march to the required McCann drum  8)-)))

Silly contentious, fact avoiding point scoring from you as per usual.

debunker

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Re: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 07:25:00 AM »
If we take a sample of tissue or blood or other substancefrom a person or a crime scene, and this is found to have complete unbroken strands of DNA in it, then ordinary DNA analysis can be done.

This is carried out by a process that strips the DNA strands and allows scientists to identify particular short lengths of DNA with a recognisable pattern of complex chemical elements attached in certain places.

It has been shown that these chosen areas (a different number and different locations in different jurisdictions) contain sufficient variety of structure to make rational decisions about whether different samples do in fact match to a level of probability suitable to make a scientifically and forensically valid conclusion.

This complexity is because these twenty sites (In current usage) have a variety of chemical structures (called here 'markers' (elsewhere alleles) which are associated with these particular locations. Each area has a series of possible markers associated with it, and some markers may attach to more than one different sites. The number of markers for each site totals between 3 and 20 or so. Some are very rare and some are very common associations, but with 20 possible areas and several hundred in total markers there is sufficient information to exclude everyone else from identification to very high levels of probability.

Different jurisdictions make different assessments of how many markers are required for such identification to be legally valid.

Anything contentious so far?

debunker

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Re: Shall we try to understand why the LCNDNA in the Scenic is inconclusive
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2013, 07:35:17 AM »
Where do we get our DNA from? We get roughly half from our mother and half from our father. So each child will share on average 50% of their mother's DNA and 50% of their father's DNA. This includes the pattern of positions and markers used to identify people using DNA.

Why did Madeleine have only 19 potential area/marker matches? Because Kate and Gerry shared on marker/position piece of information, meaning that only 19 different ones were available rather than 20.

Full siblings will share on average 25% of such position/marker pairs.

Any problems?