Author Topic: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?  (Read 85125 times)

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Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #300 on: July 18, 2015, 10:52:30 PM »
18:54 I knew straight away she had been taken. Well put it this way I knew she hadn't walked out of the apartment. Kate

I have to say when I got there and Kate told me and when I looked at the scene as well I had absolutely no doubt. But our immediate reaction was to double and triple check. We did do that both in the apartment and in the vicinity. And then we said call the police and one of our friends alerted both the resort manager and the police. Gerry

19:33 And that was within 5 minutes or so it was very quick. Kate

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The resort manager was first notified at 22.28, by a phonecall from employee Lindsay.

stephen25000

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #301 on: July 19, 2015, 08:55:28 AM »
How can a call at 10:41 be an hour and a half after 10:10?

What call at 10.10 ?

Where is the unadulterated record and proof that this occurred ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #302 on: July 19, 2015, 09:24:47 AM »
What call at 10.10 ?

Where is the unadulterated record and proof that this occurred ?

What was said is that the 10.41 call was made one and a half hours after the alleged abduction at 9.15, so criticising the Portuguese police for delays is a waste of time. Any abductor could have been miles away by the time the police were called.
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stephen25000

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #303 on: July 19, 2015, 09:30:05 AM »
What was said is that the 10.41 call was made one and a half hours after the alleged abduction at 9.15, so criticising the Portuguese police for delays is a waste of time. Any abductor could have been miles away by the time the police were called.

Precisely.

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #304 on: July 19, 2015, 09:34:39 AM »
What was said is that the 10.41 call was made one and a half hours after the alleged abduction at 9.15, so criticising the Portuguese police for delays is a waste of time. Any abductor could have been miles away by the time the police were called.

As far as the McCanns knew the police had been called when Russell asked for the call to be made- which was around 10 mins after they had checked and double checked 5a and the immediate vicinity.

 However  IMO the reception staff decided not to call the police until the Manager authorised it.     After all, no child had ever been abducted in the past and all children who had previously gone missing had been found as a result of the 'Missing child' protocol.    They probably thought at that early stage that this was going result in the same outcome.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #305 on: July 19, 2015, 09:44:07 AM »
As far as the McCanns knew the police had been called when Russell asked for the call to be made- which was around 10 mins after they had checked and double checked 5a and the immediate vicinity.

 However  IMO the reception staff decided not to call the police until the Manager authorised it.     After all, no child had ever been abducted in the past and all children who had previously gone missing had been found as a result of the 'Missing child' protocol.    They probably thought at that early stage that this was going result in the same outcome.

ANY PROOF OF THAT WHATSOEVER ?

Offline Lace

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #306 on: July 19, 2015, 10:39:13 AM »
As far as the McCanns knew the police had been called when Russell asked for the call to be made- which was around 10 mins after they had checked and double checked 5a and the immediate vicinity.

 However  IMO the reception staff decided not to call the police until the Manager authorised it.     After all, no child had ever been abducted in the past and all children who had previously gone missing had been found as a result of the 'Missing child' protocol.    They probably thought at that early stage that this was going result in the same outcome.

I agree with that Benice.    Reading Russell's statement they were very reluctant to ring the police,   so as you have said probably waited for the Manager to authorise it. 

A waiter also mentioned about calling the police when Gerry was searching around the pool area,   whether he did or not I don't know.

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #307 on: July 19, 2015, 01:32:37 PM »
I agree with that Benice.    Reading Russell's statement they were very reluctant to ring the police,   so as you have said probably waited for the Manager to authorise it. 

A waiter also mentioned about calling the police when Gerry was searching around the pool area,   whether he did or not I don't know.
If something happened to a child at 21:20 and the first request to call police was at about 22:05 that is an initial delay of about 45 minutes which obviously is not the fault of the holiday company nor of the police.


Offline Brietta

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #308 on: July 19, 2015, 02:11:15 PM »
If something happened to a child at 21:20 and the first request to call police was at about 22:05 that is an initial delay of about 45 minutes which obviously is not the fault of the holiday company nor of the police.

Who knew before Madeleine's mother found her bed empty at appx. 22:00 that anything was amiss in the apartment?

Your 21:20 time is therefore impossible.
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Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #309 on: July 20, 2015, 10:00:36 PM »
The telephone records which showed the first call was made at 10.41 proved they were all mistaken.  The 2 independent witnesses also claimed the first call was made between 10.00 and 10.15.   It is a well known fact that memory recall is notoriously unreliable in human beings - and whether you like it or not that includes the McCanns.

Off to bed now.   G'night mercury.   


 

Sorry, missed this, I agree, thanks, they were mistaken, police were not called till 10 41, so it's no good saying police were called at 10.10 and then complaining they took ages to arrive, it's been eight years,the facts are out there, and Kate McCann should have known better than to promote such "stuff"

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #310 on: July 20, 2015, 10:02:48 PM »
LOL You don't seriously believe that, do you? The GNR officers who showed up certainly didn't.

112 operators do, plenty of ocean club employees did, plus when your mobile switches countries you are given the local emergency number, granted, some take no notice, but it's not hard to ask anyone around in an English speaking resort what the police number is, rather than send someone tracking the other side of the resort, could have done both

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #311 on: July 20, 2015, 10:05:46 PM »
How can a call at 10:41 be an hour and a half after 10:10?

This has been answered by others, 10 41 is an hour and a half more or less from 9 15 ...my point partly being the police got the blame for wasting that initial golden hour

Everyone agreed police were NOT called 5/10 minutes after 10 pm? as alledged by some? there is proof when they WERE called, there is no proof they WERE called before that

Another "non notch" in the book called "an account of the truth"
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Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #312 on: July 20, 2015, 11:13:58 PM »
This has been answered by others, 10 41 is an hour and a half more or less from 9 15 ...my point partly being the police got the blame for wasting that initial golden hour

Everyone agreed police were NOT called 5/10 minutes after 10 pm? as alledged by some? there is proof when they WERE called, there is no proof they WERE called before that

Another "non notch" in the book called "an account of the truth"

Kate was giving a description of  what happened after they found Madeline missing.  She described what they did, and what they thought.   They genuinely THOUGHT that the police had been called at around 10.10. so she wasn't lying in her book.       The fact that many months later it was shown that the first phone call was at 10.41 does not make any difference to what she believed at the time.

 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #313 on: July 21, 2015, 01:33:36 AM »
The question of this thread can be answered in 5 letters:
22:41

Offline Lace

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #314 on: July 21, 2015, 09:14:59 AM »
Was the person to whom Russell spoke with on the 24 hour reception desk interviewed?

Russell went to the desk and asked them to call the police,   he would have presumed they had.