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Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #285 on: July 18, 2015, 12:50:50 AM »
How are all the calls to 112 handled? How are the redirected calls recorded on that computer print out?
JH dialled the GNR Lagos on the direct line.
IMO the two calls from reception landline to GNR landline were probably direct, not routed via 112.
The Portugal Telecom records in the files state the GNR Lagos number.
It was HL who made those calls (at JH's request).
BTW if the T9 with their 8 mobiles had known the number 112 they could have spoken with english speaking operator.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 12:54:57 AM by pegasus »

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #286 on: July 18, 2015, 12:56:54 AM »
Therere is no proof he she made the phone calls at that time

Exactly - in fact the telephone records show that they were both mistaken - and if they didn't lie, (which I don't believe they did) -  then it simply proves the fallibility of memory and how different human beings have completely different perceptions of time, which can be grossly inaccurate.      But what has that got to do with your claim that Kate lied in her book?  What did she say?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #287 on: July 18, 2015, 12:59:48 AM »
That the police were called, after all her book was entitled an account of the truth.this wasnt any truth ergo a lie

Ps lets not forget she had all the police files af the  time, so will have known the FACTS

But the police were called.  So where is the lie?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #288 on: July 18, 2015, 01:00:32 AM »
Many here say the Mccanns didnt know the 112 number though it comes up as the emergency number when your phone moves Countries, still, maybe many ignore it but that is no excuse in not finding a police number as soon As you KNOW you kid has been abducted, not FOURTY MORE
MINUTES AT LEAST LATER!

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #289 on: July 18, 2015, 01:03:18 AM »
Exactly - in fact the telephone records show that they were both mistaken - and if they didn't lie, (which I don't believe they did) -  then it simply proves the fallibility of memory and how different human beings have completely different perceptions of time, which can be grossly inaccurate.      But what has that got to do with your claim that Kate lied in her book?  What did she say?

what? What telephone records proved who was mistaken? There are records of all calls from ocean club phones and records to pj and gnr phone lines.NO PHONE CALL WASMADE BEFORE 10 41, get over it benice

Ps kate mccann asserted a phone call was made 5/10 mins after 10 pm..it wasnt

Tis just hearsay and possibly probBly a LIE
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 01:14:46 AM by mercury »

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #290 on: July 18, 2015, 01:13:00 AM »
Nowhere does MO claim that anyone actually phoned police at 22.10.
Actually he states "I don't know if they rang at that point"

BTW is possible that the employee MO spoke to was not HL?
What if he was on rest break and someone else was covering desk?

« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 01:20:12 AM by pegasus »

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #291 on: July 18, 2015, 01:13:47 AM »
Many here say the Mccanns didnt know the 112 number though it comes up as the emergency number when your phone moves Countries, still, maybe many ignore it but that is no excuse in not finding a police number as soon As you KNOW you kid has been abducted, not FOURTY MORE
MINUTES AT LEAST LATER!

What has any of that got to do with your claim that Kate lied in her book.     Please provide the cite backing that claim up.

The fact that the correct times the phone calls were made are in the files is irrelevant.  I presume (because I haven't seen the cite)  that Kate was describing her recall of what happened as she remembered it that night  - in exactly the same way as those other two witnesses (one of whom made the calls) described what happened as they remembered it. 

Lying doesn't come into it IMO.         

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #292 on: July 18, 2015, 01:18:06 AM »
Many here say the Mccanns didnt know the 112 number though it comes up as the emergency number when your phone moves Countries, still, maybe many ignore it but that is no excuse in not finding a police number as soon As you KNOW you kid has been abducted, not FOURTY MORE
MINUTES AT LEAST LATER!
There is a video stating "we didn't know the emergency number"

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #293 on: July 18, 2015, 01:27:51 AM »
There is a video stating "we didn't know the emergency number"

thanks
But no excuse still not to ask anyone else immediately, fact remains police were not called for about one hour and a half later from the so called abduction and then  told they were mugs cos they lost the golden hour

Nice start of the planned campaign to slag off the police

which fat philo started. 4 may

It was the Mccanns responsible for the loss of the golden hour, no one else, must them

Offline Benice

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #294 on: July 18, 2015, 01:28:40 AM »
what? What telephone records proved who was mistaken? There are records of all calls from ocean club phones and records to pj and gnr phone lines.NO PHONE CALL WASMADE BEFORE 10 41, get over it benice

Ps kate mccann asserted a phone call was made 5/10 mins after 10 pm..it wasnt

Tis just hearsay

The telephone records which showed the first call was made at 10.41 proved they were all mistaken.  The 2 independent witnesses also claimed the first call was made between 10.00 and 10.15.   It is a well known fact that memory recall is notoriously unreliable in human beings - and whether you like it or not that includes the McCanns.

Off to bed now.   G'night mercury.   


 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #295 on: July 18, 2015, 01:32:14 AM »
thanks
But no excuse still not to ask anyone else immediately, fact remains police were not called for about one hour and a half later from the so called abduction and then  told they were mugs cos they lost the golden hour

Nice start of the planned campaign to slag off the police

which fat philo started. 4 may

It was the Mccanns responsible for the loss of the golden hour, no one else, must them
The other reason given for not using one of their 8 mobiles to phone police, was "we didn't speak portuguese", which is reasonable and true. (However Portugal does provide english speaking 112 operators).

Offline mercury

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #296 on: July 18, 2015, 01:35:22 AM »
The other reason given for not using one of their 8 mobiles to phone police, was "we didn't speak portuguese", which is reasonable and true. (However Portugal does provide english speaking 112 operators).
Everyone speaks english!!!

Offline pathfinder73

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #297 on: July 18, 2015, 08:36:57 AM »
18:54 I knew straight away she had been taken. Well put it this way I knew she hadn't walked out of the apartment. Kate

I have to say when I got there and Kate told me and when I looked at the scene as well I had absolutely no doubt. But our immediate reaction was to double and triple check. We did do that both in the apartment and in the vicinity. And then we said call the police and one of our friends alerted both the resort manager and the police. Gerry

19:33 And that was within 5 minutes or so it was very quick. Kate

Source - Chile documentary - see documentaries thread for full transcript.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 08:39:45 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #298 on: July 18, 2015, 08:50:18 AM »
Everyone speaks english!!!

LOL You don't seriously believe that, do you? The GNR officers who showed up certainly didn't.

Offline Carana

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #299 on: July 18, 2015, 08:53:54 AM »
thanks
But no excuse still not to ask anyone else immediately, fact remains police were not called for about one hour and a half later from the so called abduction and then  told they were mugs cos they lost the golden hour

Nice start of the planned campaign to slag off the police

which fat philo started. 4 may

It was the Mccanns responsible for the loss of the golden hour, no one else, must them

How can a call at 10:41 be an hour and a half after 10:10?