The Paynes used a baby monitor so was this accepted practice?

[Benice]

It would have been extremely difficult for someone living directly above 5a to identify more than one child crying so for all intents and purposes she chose to go with the child crying option.  Since the crying went on for over an hour it is most probable that one or both of the twins picked up on the distress and joined in to a greater or lesser degree.

For those who claim the crying didn't come from 5a, consider this.  The crying stopped instantly the moment the patio doors to 5a were opened by the parents on their return from their extended night out.

Their 'extended' night out was the following night. 

 I find it hard to  believe that it is possible for anyone not to be able to tell the difference between one child crying and two children crying at the same time. 


(Must go out now).

[Angelo222]

Their 'extended' night out was the following night. 

 I find it hard to  believe that it is possible for anyone not to be able to tell the difference between one child crying and two children crying at the same time. 


(Must go out now).

Very easily especially when there were three children all under four years of age. Didn't Mrs Fenn hear a child calling for daddy?

[misty]

Very easily especially when there were three children all under four years of age. Didn't Mrs Fenn hear a child calling for daddy?

If one child in that bedroom was crying loudly for over an hour then the other two would have been disturbed & cried also. Fact.

[sadie]

It would have been extremely difficult for someone living directly above 5a to identify more than one child crying so for all intents and purposes she chose to go with the child crying option.  Since the crying went on for over an hour it is most probable that one or both of the twins picked up on the distress and joined in to a greater or lesser degree.

For those who claim the crying didn't come from 5a, consider this.  The crying stopped instantly the moment the patio doors to 5a were opened by the parents on their return from their extended night out.

Cite for the noise from the patio doors being those to 5A please Angelo.   I dont remember anything that confirmed that either the noise of the crying, nor the noise of the patio doors came from 5A

But I am willing to be corrected

[faithlilly]

If one child in that bedroom was crying loudly for over an hour then the other two would have been disturbed & cried also. Fact.

Unless they had been given something to help them sleep. After all they didn't wake through all the commotion on the 3rd.

[Alfie]

Unless they had been given something to help them sleep. After all they didn't wake through all the commotion on the 3rd.

Are you suggesting that the McCanns forgot to sedate one of their kids? &%+((£

[faithlilly]

Are you suggesting that the McCanns forgot to sedate one of their kids? &%+((£

As I pointed out. they didn't wake through all the commotion on the 3rd so it's reasonable to assume that they could have stayed asleep through Madeleine's crying on the 1st for the same reason, which Kate thought was sedation.

[faithlilly]

As I pointed out. they didn't wake through all the commotion on the 3rd so it's reasonable to assume that they could have stayed asleep through Madeleine's crying on the 1st for the same reason, which Kate thought was sedation.

 No one seems to want to touch this conundrum.

[Alfie]

No one seems to want to touch this conundrum.

This is a conundrum of your own invention and relies solely on your implied belief that the McCanns routinely sedated their children on holiday.  No wonder no one wants to discuss it, because to do so presumably would be libellous which is frowned upon on this forum (allegedly).

[Angelo222]

Cite for the noise from the patio doors being those to 5A please Angelo.   I dont remember anything that confirmed that either the noise of the crying, nor the noise of the patio doors came from 5A

But I am willing to be corrected

Same old question Sadie?  Put it this way, Mrs Fenn lived above 5a so whose flipping patio door would it have been?

[misty]

No one seems to want to touch this conundrum.

"Mummy, why didn't you come when me & Sean were crying?" .....Madeleine on Thursday morning.

Amelie cried on the Tuesday night after the parents returned from dinner according to Kate.

Evidence any of them were sedated prior to the 3rd?

[faithlilly]

This is a conundrum of your own invention and relies solely on your implied belief that the McCanns routinely sedated their children on holiday.  No wonder no one wants to discuss it, because to do so presumably would be libellous which is frowned upon on this forum (allegedly).

Not at all. Sedation was only mentioned because Kate had thought sedation may have been used on 3rd of May.

My question was if the twins did not wake with all the commotion going on in 5a on the 3rd why do supporters not see that it is therefore perfectly reasonable that Madeleine could indeed have howled at the top of her lungs for 90 minutes without the twins waking? Don't you agree?

[Alfie]

Not at all. Sedation was only mentioned because Kate had thought sedation may have been used on 3rd of May.

My question was if the twins did not wake with all the commotion going on in 5a on the 3rd why do supporters not see that it is therefore perfectly reasonable that Madeleine could indeed have howled at the top of her lungs for 90 minutes without the twins waking? Don't you agree?

Yes I do agree.  I don't think it's possible to say with any certainty that the children would have woken up simply because one was crying.  I don't however believe that any of them was howling at the top of their lungs, and if they were I would say it was most remiss of Mrs Fenn not to call reception and get something down about it.

[faithlilly]

Yes I do agree.  I don't think it's possible to say with any certainty that the children would have woken up simply because one was crying.  I don't however believe that any of them was howling at the top of their lungs, and if they were I would say it was most remiss of Mrs Fenn not to call reception and get something down about it.

Why was it Mrs Fenn's responsibility? How was she to know the children had been left on their own ?

Good to hear that at least you're intelligent enough to realise that Mrs Fenn's statement that the children were left for 90 minutes is entirely possible.

[Benice]

Why was it Mrs Fenn's responsibility? How was she to know the children had been left on their own ?

Good to hear that at least you're intelligent enough to realise that Mrs Fenn's statement that the children were left for 90 minutes is entirely possible.

Where do you get 90 minutes from?  I thought it was approximately 75 mins.