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Offline Carana

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2013, 12:21:40 PM »
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic14400.html

Are you disagreeing with my post, Redblossom?

If so, I don't see a contradiction. There was nothing personally identifying (either concerning the families or a potential perpetrator). The purpose in naming the areas in which these assaults took place would seem to be to jog people's memories and - quite possibly - to encourage other families who had experienced similar experiences to come forward who perhaps never had.







Redblossom

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Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2013, 12:29:20 PM »
Are you disagreeing with my post, Redblossom?

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No Carana, I wasn't replying to anyone, just posting a reference to an article concering the OP

Offline sadie

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2013, 12:58:47 PM »
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id371.html

By Cassandra Jardine
8:12PM BST 09 May2011


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.... "Who's thinking about child abductions in a sleepy, out-of-town tourist resort?" asked Gerry McCann, expressing the common view among parents that places stuffed full of other parents with small children are supremely secure. Chillingly, the McCanns learnt after the abduction that not only are such resorts an obvious target for paedophiles, but also that parents should have been warned to be vigilant.   In 2008, when the Portuguese police officially stopped pursuing the case, their files revealed that in the three years preceding Madeleine's disappearance, three intruders had been disturbed in children's bedrooms within an hour's drive of Praia de Luz and five children had been abused in their beds while on holiday in the Algarve. Evidence had not been collected, let alone collated or publicised.


Among the known paedophiles who could have been in the area are a British couple, Charles O'Neill, 48, and William Lauchlan, 34, both of whom are now in prison for murder in Britain. In May 2007, they were living in Spain, and possibly Portugal, on false passports. The previous year, they were posing as cleaners in a holiday villa complex in Gran Canaria when a child, Yeremi Vargas, went missing. Another possible suspect is Martin Ney, 40, who last month was arrested for the murder of Dennis Klein, a nine-year-old who vanished on a school trip in Germany in 2001. Ney resembles the photofit of the man seen carrying a child by one of the Tapas Seven, shortly before Madeleine’s bed was found empty.
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Martin Ney also somewhat resembles Gerry


Offline sadie

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2013, 01:05:52 PM »
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/245336/Maddie-link-to-German-child-killer

Maddie link to German child killer
THIS is the man who has confessed to one child murder and is now facing questioning over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.By: James MurrayPublished: Sun, May 8, 2011  0Comments 
In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects
 
The 40-year-old German youth worker, who we can name only as Martin N, is being questioned over at least three child murders and 40 suspected attacks on children across Europe.



He bears a striking resemblance to the photofit of a man seen holding a child in his arms just minutes after Madeleine was snatched from Praia da Luz.

He targeted children on holiday, entering their tents, apartments or villas, armed with a knife or gun and wearing a black balaclava and clothing. He also threatened to kidnap a child unless the parents paid a ransom.

Private detectives working for Kate and Gerry McCann will now try to discover if he was in Portugal when Madeleine vanished from the family’s apartment at the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Our private investigators became aware of this man a month ago and they will be liaising with the German investigators. The investigation is at an early stage.”

In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects
German detectives will shortly question the child killer over the disappearance of six-year-old blond German boy Renee Hasse, snatched from the beautiful Amoreira beach near Aljezur on the Algarve in June 1996. The beach is some half an hour’s drive from Luz.

They believe Martin N was in Portugal that summer and are checking his passport and bank accounts to build up a complete picture of his movements over the past 20 years across Europe and South America.

They are trying to establish if the Hamburg-based youth worker, who is said to have used his good communication skills with children to lure his victims, was acting alone or was part of a ring of paedophiles.

He was arrested last month after a major police operation. In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects.

Officers say he has confessed to the murder of nine-year-old Dennis Klein, who vanished during a school field trip at the Lower Saxony coastal town of Cuxhaven on September 5, 2001.

Mushroom pickers discovered the child’s body about 15 miles away two weeks later but the killer’s trail had long gone cold. Earlier this year, a witness who saw a television programme about the case recalled seeing an estate car parked on a forest path at about 4.30am in early September 2001.

A boy who resembled Dennis was in the back seat and a man in the front. The brawny, bespectacled man, who looked to be in his early 30s, matched a description police had received of the suspect from sex abuse victims. He was dressed in black.

In 1992, police said that Martin N had kidnapped and killed 13-year-old Stefan Jahr.

A month earlier he had entered a youth hostel in Bremen, pointed a knife at a boy and ordered him to follow him.

The boy’s scream alerted a teacher who frightened the attacker off.

French police are believed to be about to question Martin about the fate of Jonathan Coulom, 11, who disappeared from a school hostel in St Brevin in the west of France. His body was found six weeks later, handcuffed and in his pyjamas in a pond 30 yards from the hostel.

This could be just the tip of the iceberg. Detectives in Holland want to speak to him about the murder of Nicky Verstappen in August 1998.

The boy disappeared from a tent in Brunssum and his body was found in a plantation of fir trees the next day.

Although so far he is suspected of killing or attacking young boys, clinical psychologist Ron Bracey stressed that gender is not so important to paedophiles, making it quite possible that he could target a girl like Madeleine.

He said: “With paedophiles the gender of the child isn’t really that relevant. It’s quite possible he could have killed girls and boys.”

The thought that Madeleine may have been abducted by a paedophile, and is possibly still being abused, is Kate McCann’s worst fear, according to a newspaper interview yesterday. She was speaking in advance of her book,  simply called Madeleine, which is published on Thursday.

Meanwhile a profile of Martin N began to emerge yesterday. German police interviewed him in 2004 after two boys complained they had been sexually attacked.

He was given a small fine but appeared before the courts again in 2006 when a man said Martin N had demanded 20,000 euros or he would tell police the man had child pornography on his computer. Two years later Martin N was asked to supply a DNA sample for police but failed to keep the appointment.

It is believed that between 2000 and 2008 he worked for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless.

His mother is distraught about the police investigation and does not accept the boy she raised has grown into a monster. She describes him as “normal, a little timid and very attentive”.

She insists he never showed signs similar to “the cruelty necessary to commit these horrible crimes”, although a German magazine claims he was scarred by his father leaving the family when he was young.

At 21, the suspect finished a teacher training course and started to travel. Police know he visited Ecuador in 1993, Peru in 1995 and Portugal the following year. He has also made repeated trips to Holland and Denmark.

Police psychologist Alexander Horn said: “During his studies to be a school teacher he was a solid student, although not over-brilliant. No professor observed any behaviour that brought special attention, no evidence from work colleagues that recalled him as a violent person. In fact, quite the reverse.

“Everyone who has been his neighbour or has worked with him describes him as reliable, amiable, friendly and very intelligent. He was always disposed to help with a smile on his lips.”

There are suggestions, however, that in 1987 he sent letters threatening extortion to neighbouring families. One is alleged to have warned: “If you don’t follow our instructions, your children will die.”

His penalty involved doing social work for eight weeks. Five years later he went on to kill his first ­victim.

German police spokesman Anke Rieken said: “Every place that he has been, every person with whom he has been in contact could lead us to more victims.”

/SNIP/

Offline Carana

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2013, 01:33:45 PM »

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/245336/Maddie-link-to-German-child-killer

Maddie link to German child killer
THIS is the man who has confessed to one child murder and is now facing questioning over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.By: James MurrayPublished: Sun, May 8, 2011  0Comments 

Despite the headline, the article states that he was being questioned.

What was the result?

Offline sadie

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2013, 02:00:20 PM »
I am sorry but I have no idea, Carana ... and I dont have the energy to research atm.

But there is a certain likeness to Gerry isn't there?  I just hope that he hasn't got hold of Madeleine, or any more children.  He is a serial paedophile and seems he travels around a good deal.

From his smile and general demeanour, looks like he is a charmer.   On the surface anyhow.


Offline Carana

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2013, 03:09:36 PM »
I am sorry but I have no idea, Carana ... and I dont have the energy to research atm.

But there is a certain likeness to Gerry isn't there?  I just hope that he hasn't got hold of Madeleine, or any more children.  He is a serial paedophile and seems he travels around a good deal.

From his smile and general demeanour, looks like he is a charmer.   On the surface anyhow.


I've no idea whether the photo corresponds to the person or not. And some innocent and unrelated people can have the same name by coincidence.

With those caveats in mind (plus the fact that I'm relying on Google translate) there does indeed appear to be a dangerous person of that name who doesn't seem to have been in custody at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. He has since been locked up, if I get the gist of the Wiki entry.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Ney

This person seems to have focused on boys, however, from general reading, I gather that not all paedos prey exclusively on either boys or girls.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2013, 03:21:26 PM »
None of Madeleine's carriers treated her but with delicacy : like a first aider (victim, surely not not prey) in the first case, like a father (according to all Smiths) in the second. I don't find any point in speculating on abuse of British children in Portugal unless the intention is once more to suggest Portugal is a barbarian country. Please at least provide stats of all the EU.

Redblossom

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Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2013, 04:16:42 PM »
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/304470/Child-killer-vows-I-didn-t-take-Madeleine-McCann

http://www.anorak.co.uk/280302/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-introducing-german-child-killer-martin-n.html/

One paper printing he bore resemblance to the man Tanner saw,(longish hair) and another to the man Carole Tramner saw, (short shaved blonde hair) only ths creatures MO was to use a black mask! when assaulting boys. IMO an extremely tenuous link. Not sure he was considered a link at all tbh by the PIs, doesnt appear to be a link by actual police anywhere

Offline sadie

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2013, 04:38:32 PM »
Tbh, Red, whilst it is possible that he might target a girl, I think that he would be more likely to have abducted Rene than Madeleine.   But we dont know.  And our minds should remain open until such time as we do know.

Do you agree?



ETA.  Noy isn't the man that I think is behind these PT abductions

Redblossom

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Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2013, 04:47:10 PM »
Tbh, Red, whilst it is possible that he might target a girl, I think that he would be more likely to have abducted Rene than Madeleine.   But we dont know.  And our minds should remain open until such time as we do know.

Do you agree?



ETA.  Noy isn't the man that I think is behind these PT abductions

Not really Sadie, otherwise you would have to keep an open mind on every single very tenuous link *made*, that would run into the hundreds, if there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind,  its fair to say there probably wasnt, especially what facts are known tend to point away

PS how do you know it was the same one man behind any attacks/abductions, has there ever been descriptions given?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2013, 04:48:53 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Luz

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2013, 04:54:47 PM »
Extract from Kate's book:

One of the most concerning and upsetting pieces of information to emerge (from the release of the files) quite early was the record of sexual crimes against children in the Algarve.

The discovery made me feel physically sick. I read of five cases of British children on holiday being sexually abused in their beds while their parents slept in another room.

In three further incidents, children encountered an intruder in their bedrooms, who were presumably disturbed before he had the chance to carry out these assaults.

I guessed these were the reports that Bill Henderson had told me about. These incidents had occurred within an hour's drive of Praia da Luz over the three years prior to Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ had never mentioned any of them to us. In fact, I gathered from the files, some hadn't even been recorded by the authorities.

So they might never have come to light if the parents of these children hadn't been brave enough to come forward to the British police after Madeleine was taken and relive their nightmares.


They did so in the belief there could be a link between what happened to their children and what happened to her.

It broke my heart to read the terrible accounts of these devastated parents and the experience of their poor children.

....

The parents had called the police. They hadn't felt that the crime was taken seriously by the police or by their tour operators. Statements were often not taken. DNA and finger print evidence was frequently not sought. In most instances there was no sign of a break in.

I cried for hours after reading a letter of complaint from one mother regarding the sexual abuse of her daughter and the lack of proper attention paid to it.

The final line in particular has haunted me ever since:

"It is difficult to see with this lack of investigation or interest how a profile of this man can be built up. It did not appear to us that there was any great incentive or determination to find the offender and bring him to justice. Furthermore, it could all have been so much worse...indeed this man could go on to do much worse to another child if he's not stopped now".

Six months later, our beloved Madeleine was grabbed from her bed. Of course, none of these children was abducted and these crimes may be completely unrelated to what happened to Madeleine. We do not know who has taken our daughter and for what purpose.

What these cases do demonstrate, however, is that British tourists in holiday accomodation were being targeted. At the very least, the possibility of a link between these incidents and Madeleine's disappearance should have been investigated.

It is so hard not to scream ffrom the rooftops about how these crimes appear to have been brushed under the carpet.

The authorities have known of them for a long time and yet the perpetrators as far as the families are aware, remain free. Children are involved and they need to be protected.


Unless you can produce official documents about these alleged incidents, this is the most outrageous statement ever produced here.

There had been only one case of a child (british, coincidentally) that was sexually assaulted by a friend of the family. Every one involved was foreign (from a portuguese point of view) and happened 9 years (if my memory doesn't betray me) before Madeleine's case.

Offline Luz

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2013, 05:02:59 PM »
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/245336/Maddie-link-to-German-child-killer

Maddie link to German child killer
THIS is the man who has confessed to one child murder and is now facing questioning over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.By: James MurrayPublished: Sun, May 8, 2011  0Comments 
In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects
 
The 40-year-old German youth worker, who we can name only as Martin N, is being questioned over at least three child murders and 40 suspected attacks on children across Europe.



He bears a striking resemblance to the photofit of a man seen holding a child in his arms just minutes after Madeleine was snatched from Praia da Luz.

He targeted children on holiday, entering their tents, apartments or villas, armed with a knife or gun and wearing a black balaclava and clothing. He also threatened to kidnap a child unless the parents paid a ransom.

Private detectives working for Kate and Gerry McCann will now try to discover if he was in Portugal when Madeleine vanished from the family’s apartment at the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Our private investigators became aware of this man a month ago and they will be liaising with the German investigators. The investigation is at an early stage.”

In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects
German detectives will shortly question the child killer over the disappearance of six-year-old blond German boy Renee Hasse, snatched from the beautiful Amoreira beach near Aljezur on the Algarve in June 1996. The beach is some half an hour’s drive from Luz.

They believe Martin N was in Portugal that summer and are checking his passport and bank accounts to build up a complete picture of his movements over the past 20 years across Europe and South America.

They are trying to establish if the Hamburg-based youth worker, who is said to have used his good communication skills with children to lure his victims, was acting alone or was part of a ring of paedophiles.

He was arrested last month after a major police operation. In Germany he can be referred to only as Martin N because of its laws on naming suspects.

Officers say he has confessed to the murder of nine-year-old Dennis Klein, who vanished during a school field trip at the Lower Saxony coastal town of Cuxhaven on September 5, 2001.

Mushroom pickers discovered the child’s body about 15 miles away two weeks later but the killer’s trail had long gone cold. Earlier this year, a witness who saw a television programme about the case recalled seeing an estate car parked on a forest path at about 4.30am in early September 2001.

A boy who resembled Dennis was in the back seat and a man in the front. The brawny, bespectacled man, who looked to be in his early 30s, matched a description police had received of the suspect from sex abuse victims. He was dressed in black.

In 1992, police said that Martin N had kidnapped and killed 13-year-old Stefan Jahr.

A month earlier he had entered a youth hostel in Bremen, pointed a knife at a boy and ordered him to follow him.

The boy’s scream alerted a teacher who frightened the attacker off.

French police are believed to be about to question Martin about the fate of Jonathan Coulom, 11, who disappeared from a school hostel in St Brevin in the west of France. His body was found six weeks later, handcuffed and in his pyjamas in a pond 30 yards from the hostel.

This could be just the tip of the iceberg. Detectives in Holland want to speak to him about the murder of Nicky Verstappen in August 1998.

The boy disappeared from a tent in Brunssum and his body was found in a plantation of fir trees the next day.

Although so far he is suspected of killing or attacking young boys, clinical psychologist Ron Bracey stressed that gender is not so important to paedophiles, making it quite possible that he could target a girl like Madeleine.

He said: “With paedophiles the gender of the child isn’t really that relevant. It’s quite possible he could have killed girls and boys.”

The thought that Madeleine may have been abducted by a paedophile, and is possibly still being abused, is Kate McCann’s worst fear, according to a newspaper interview yesterday. She was speaking in advance of her book,  simply called Madeleine, which is published on Thursday.

Meanwhile a profile of Martin N began to emerge yesterday. German police interviewed him in 2004 after two boys complained they had been sexually attacked.

He was given a small fine but appeared before the courts again in 2006 when a man said Martin N had demanded 20,000 euros or he would tell police the man had child pornography on his computer. Two years later Martin N was asked to supply a DNA sample for police but failed to keep the appointment.

It is believed that between 2000 and 2008 he worked for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless.

His mother is distraught about the police investigation and does not accept the boy she raised has grown into a monster. She describes him as “normal, a little timid and very attentive”.

She insists he never showed signs similar to “the cruelty necessary to commit these horrible crimes”, although a German magazine claims he was scarred by his father leaving the family when he was young.

At 21, the suspect finished a teacher training course and started to travel. Police know he visited Ecuador in 1993, Peru in 1995 and Portugal the following year. He has also made repeated trips to Holland and Denmark.

Police psychologist Alexander Horn said: “During his studies to be a school teacher he was a solid student, although not over-brilliant. No professor observed any behaviour that brought special attention, no evidence from work colleagues that recalled him as a violent person. In fact, quite the reverse.

“Everyone who has been his neighbour or has worked with him describes him as reliable, amiable, friendly and very intelligent. He was always disposed to help with a smile on his lips.”

There are suggestions, however, that in 1987 he sent letters threatening extortion to neighbouring families. One is alleged to have warned: “If you don’t follow our instructions, your children will die.”

His penalty involved doing social work for eight weeks. Five years later he went on to kill his first ­victim.

German police spokesman Anke Rieken said: “Every place that he has been, every person with whom he has been in contact could lead us to more victims.”

/SNIP/

If it wasn't so sad it would be laughable!
Why on earth is every children's misery being connected to Madeleine's. There is no connection at all between strangers abductions of a child and the mysterious disappearance of the McCann child.
Personally I resent that other children are being linked or even compared to Madeleine. We don't know what happened to Madeleine, but we know of many children that have been outrageously aggressed, violated, murdered.

Offline Luz

Re: Other children abused by intruders before Madeleine's abduction
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2013, 05:07:30 PM »
I protest the OP title. There is no proof that Madeleine was abducted.