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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2015, 10:58:12 AM »
Quote from: davel on July 15, 2015, 08:17:45 AM
Would you think the PJ and SY would have looked at the McCanns  phone traffic

Deleting phone calls in their mobile history is a big waving red flag to the police.

Let your mate explain :

On May 4th, the parents authorise us to check the phone calls logged on their mobile.

- Here's a copy of the summary of calls.

- I only have that of the couple. We have yet to receive the summary from BTS

- OK, what have we got?

- Do you see what I see?

- Yes, I think so: between April 27th and May 4th, Kate did not make any calls. Hum...

- None either, between 11.22am and 11.17pm on the night of the disappearance.

- Kate mustn't like making telephone calls...

- For Gerald, there's nothing before May 4th at exactly 12.15am

- What does that mean? They never made phone calls then?

- Wait, there's something here. Look at the number at the top of the list.

- Yes, so?

- On her telephone, her husbands' number is logged: she called him on May 3rd at 11.17pm, but on Gerald's, nothing, no trace of that call!

- How can that be explained?

- It's simple as anything: the list of calls has been deleted.

- Always the same old question: why?

(TOTL)
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2015, 05:00:27 PM »
The PJ looked at the Tapas 9 phone data over an extended time.  That was what I was using to gain some simple information about the phone masts, before Heriberto helped with a better approach.

The T9 stuff contains 'ordinary' data - calls in Luz, calls in Lagos, trips to Portimão to make statements or get updates from the PJ, trips to Faro for airport or shopping, trips west of Luz, and the special trips we know of (Fatima, Lisbon, think it covers Huelva but I can't remember).

Whether SY looked at the T9 data again - I simply have no idea.

The time spread of the data they have and the geographical spread of the phone calls will determine whether they can squeeze useful info out of the call data, or not.
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Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2016, 08:34:53 PM »
Two questions for the learned scholars among you:

1) Did Kate & Gerry ever explain why they deleted information on their phones?
2) Was the content of any text messages ever revealed?

Could go a way towards exonerating them.

Worty a read: http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2016, 08:41:45 PM »
Quote from: Gadfly1.3 on April 13, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Two questions for the learned scholars among you:

1) Did Kate & Gerry ever explain why they deleted information on their phones?
2) Was the content of any text messages ever revealed?

Could go a way towards exonerating them.

Worty a read: http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”

explain to who...do you think they should explain to the sceptics on the net
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Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2016, 08:53:01 PM »
So Davel answered no, then - to Q1.
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2016, 08:54:14 PM »
Quote from: Gadfly1.3 on April 13, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Two questions for the learned scholars among you:

1) Did Kate & Gerry ever explain why they deleted information on their phones?
2) Was the content of any text messages ever revealed?

Could go a way towards exonerating them.

Worty a read: http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”
Text messages and calls can now be submitted in court as evidence
http://bit.ly/22uUJ0T (this link works better on some browsers Gad)
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Offline Gadfly1.3

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2016, 08:56:47 PM »
Quote from: pegasus on April 13, 2016, 08:54:14 PM
Text messages and calls can now be submitted in court as evidence
http://bit.ly/22uUJ0T (this link works better on some browsers Gad)

Interesting development there. Anyway, I'm sure everything is Kosher. For Kate, Gerry, Matthew, Jayne et al - that is.
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On 12 May 2011 the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) announced that, at the request of the Home Secretary, it had agreed to bring its particular expertise to the Madeleine McCann case.

The then Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, considered the request and took the decision that on balance it was the right thing to do. This was subject to funding being made available by the Home Office, as this case is beyond the MPS's jurisdiction.  The Portuguese authorities retain the lead.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2016, 08:59:28 PM »
Quote from: Gadfly1.3 on April 13, 2016, 08:53:01 PM
So Davel answered no, then - to Q1.

no I didn't..if SY asked them I'm sure they would have answered the question
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Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2016, 09:04:29 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on July 15, 2015, 05:00:27 PM
(snip) ...The T9 stuff contains 'ordinary' data - calls in Luz, calls in Lagos, trips to Portimão to make statements or get updates from the PJ, trips to Faro for airport or shopping, trips west of Luz, and the special trips we know of (Fatima, Lisbon, think it covers Huelva but I can't remember) ... (snip)
... one T9 mobile also had calls with M Beckett, T Blair, G Brown, and D Miliband.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 09:07:15 PM by pegasus »
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Offline Carana

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2016, 09:08:50 PM »
Quote from: Gadfly1.3 on April 13, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Two questions for the learned scholars among you:

1) Did Kate & Gerry ever explain why they deleted information on their phones?
2) Was the content of any text messages ever revealed?

Could go a way towards exonerating them.

Worty a read: http://portugalresident.com/text-messages-and-calls-“can-now-be-submitted-in-court-as-evidence”

There's a least one thread on that somewhere on here.

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Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2016, 09:20:38 PM »
Lisbon Jan 2010, first day of court hearing
"Jose Magalhaes e Menezes also revealed that text messages sent by Kate and Gerry McCann were intercepted by police who were suspicious about their role in their daughter's disappearance. But the texts were not considered as part of the investigation because a judge would not allow it."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id296.html
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Offline Carana

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2016, 10:00:56 PM »


Title: 3A Kazlux Meeting with GOncalo AMaral & Sofia Leal

Q: Did the content of the 14 text messages have any relevance to the case?
A: No. But what IS relevant is that they deleted calls from their mobile phones.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1267.msg242411#msg242411
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Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2016, 10:07:21 PM »
The tapped texts were not the 14 deleted ones on the night but interceptions that took place later on but were disallowed by the evora court iirc to be part of the evidence...I forget the exact reason
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Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2016, 10:07:49 PM »
The original investigation did get some phone stuff wrong. For example they failed to understand the Swansea thing which really is elementary to solve. Maybe they also misunderstood the so-called deletions, and they really mean nothing.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard are examining phone traffic in PDL on May 3 2007
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2016, 12:33:03 AM »
What were these then if they were nothing? Pamela Fenn reported crying from 22:30 that night.

Tue 1 May 2007

Kate McCanns mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27

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