How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?

[pathfinder73]

Not sure. Found this:

EMA is for East Midlands.

5 tags: 2 tags with WW5531 McCann/Gerald 28 Apr 07 (confirming the trip to PDL).

On another subject - have you got any big images of the crime scene? There are trousers lying on the bed (parents room) and a black top/jacket on the sofa in the living room? I want to see these in more detail if possible. Thanks.

[AnneGuedes]

Not sure. Found this:

EMA is for East Midlands.

5 tags: 2 tags with WW5531 McCann/Gerald 28 Apr 07 (confirming the trip to PDL) and 3 small tags( I believe are the leftover you are talking about) with XH361687, XH361803, XH361599 -EMA - FR 1676 and the date 10/4/07.

On another subject - have you got any big images of the crime scene? There are trousers lying on the bed (parents room) and a black top/jacket on the sofa in the living room? I want to see these in more detail if possible. Thanks.

Why two tags for what seems to be the same luggage to Faro (FAO) ?
FR 1676 is the code for Ryanair flights to Stockholm. A trip on 10th of April ?
The beige thing on top of the bed is more some fleece.

[pathfinder73]

They can be ignored. Don't even know if that's McCann's. I will edit it out.

[pathfinder73]

Anne, the tags could relate to this easter trip in April.

Kate and Gerry McCann happily talked about their first family holiday in Ireland at Easter where they spent five blissful days with Madeleine and her two-year-old twin sister and brother, Amelie and Sean.

"It was the first time we had been back to Donegal as a family and the first time Kate was there," Gerry said as the couple seemed lost for a moment in an idyllic place and time.

"It was a real big family get-together with all of my extended family and close friends. It was a fantastic holiday and the kids had a ball. There were 27 of us in all and we took three cottages in Dunloe. We spent the first two days on the beach. The weather was gorgeous and Madeleine and the kids just ran up and down the sand dunes," Gerry McCann said, adding that it reminded him of so many of his childhood summers there.

[pathfinder73]

Balcony view from behind. I think there were more trees in 2007 (in the corner) but it's still a bit of an eye opener looking straight at the window? Maybe light was missing?

[AnneGuedes]

Balcony view from behind. I think there were more trees in 2007 (in the corner) but it's still a bit of an eye opener looking straight at the window? Maybe light was missing?

There were many beautiful false peppertrees.

[pathfinder73]

Blocking the window view?

[AnneGuedes]

Blocking the window view?

[pegasus]

One of the group walked past at about 21.53? and if the lighting had been as good as in the 2nd photo in AnneGuedes post, I think they would have noticed if the shutter was up. However I think the lighting was much worse in May 2007. Shame because if the lighting had been good, it would have enabled us to conclude that the shutter was still closed at that time and was opened only after that time.

[AnneGuedes]

One of the group walked past at about 21.53? and if the lighting had been as good as in the 2nd photo in AnneGuides post, I think they would have noticed if the shutter was up. However I think the lighting was much worse in May 2007. Shame because if the lighting had been good, it would have enabled us to conclude that the shutter was still closed at that time and was opened only after that time.

I'm pretty sure they never were opened (what for ?), just lifted a bit to give the impression they had been really completely lifted.

[pegasus]

If the Smith sighting was at 22:00, and if we assume the man they saw had just walked at top speed from the apartment, that would mean he left the apartment at what time? 21:55? Actually I think it is possible in under 5 minutes?
 So if Smithman is relevant, and if he walked at the fastest possible speed, that would mean he left apartment not before, but after the walkby at about 21.53.

[sadie]

 The only trouble with Pat Browns photos is that things had changed dramatically with that view

Both visibility of the apartment and the lighting were totally different at the time of the abduction

Trees as they were when Pat brown visited

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/may2011/1/7/the-ocean-club-appartments-in-praia-da-luz-image-1-218418668.jpg



As JT corner was at the time of Pat Browns visit.  Denuded of any trees .  All those beautiful trees cut down.  No wonder she got such a splendid view.   Her photograph was taken from an apartment on the rhs of the RH road

When I was there in June/July 2010, I stood by 5A and looked hard, and the canopy of trees was sop dense that it blanked off all the windows opposite.  Nobody could see what went on by that 5A window and the front door was completely out of view

Now,
Trees as they wre at about the time of the abduction

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/SR/nr5a_small.jpg



Apartment 5A with trees.  Same corner, but 5A has completely vanished.  There was NO view of 5A window or front door at the time of the abduction


http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/12/00/06/04/back5a10.jpg



Taken from almost the same angle as the photograph.  You cant even see 5A




Now lets look at the lighting>

As you can see from this Pat Brown image, a powrful floodlight was illuminating the scene.  There was NO light at the time of the abduction, and furthermore the tree canopy was so dense that the street lights couldn't penetrate thru, so the apartment front, window and door were in darkness


At the time of Pat Browns visit


Lighting after the search light had been fitted for Pat Browns photos was very good altho the front door aws in a compete shadow.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/pbStandingNexttotheWindow.jpg.w300h225.jpg




And how it was at the time of the abduction.  Unfortunately we cannot see the true picture because of the need for light to take the picture there is some photographers illumination, but you will get the idea.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/foto3.jpg



Lighting at the time of the abduction .  None, almost complete darkness, only the photographers lamps or flash are lighting this scene and as you can see they are behind the camera in the foreground.  Without this extra photographers illunination this door recess and the window would have been in almost total darknes.  Cos the canopy of trees prevented any light from streelights from reaching these spots.

[pathfinder73]

Thank you Sadie. That makes everything much clearer. There's a lot of tree cover there.

[AnneGuedes]

If the Smith sighting was at 22:00, and if we assume the man they saw had just walked at top speed from the apartment, that would mean he left the apartment at what time? 21:55? Actually I think it is possible in under 5 minutes?
 So if Smithman is relevant, and if he walked at the fastest possible speed, that would mean he left apartment not before, but after the walkby at about 21.53.

He left at about 21:57 I would say.

[Aiofe]

He left at about 21:57 I would say.

plus or minus fifteen minutes. There is no reliable method to determine this with accuracy.