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Offline pathfinder73

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #495 on: November 10, 2013, 04:59:43 PM »
I believe Smithman ran towards the wasteland area where the bag was hidden inside a bin. The bins weren't emptied until early morning on the 4th. Did the cadaver dogs go inside all of the bins to check? They checked the wasteland area - nothing found. I think Smithman had an awful shock after he had finished tennis.

Also is there an underground car park towards the Smith family sighting - just up pass the tennis courts? Does anyone know please?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2013, 05:38:00 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #496 on: November 10, 2013, 08:43:35 PM »
I believe Smithman ran towards the wasteland area where the bag was hidden inside a bin. The bins weren't emptied until early morning on the 4th. Did the cadaver dogs go inside all of the bins to check? They checked the wasteland area - nothing found. I think Smithman had an awful shock after he had finished tennis.

Also is there an underground car park towards the Smith family sighting - just up pass the tennis courts? Does anyone know please?
No cadaver dog checked the bins and, no, there's no underground car park in PDL (some buildings might have a private one).

Offline pathfinder73

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #497 on: November 10, 2013, 09:30:15 PM »
Thanks Anne. I think the cadaver dogs should check inside the bins? If they find one positive sign inside a bin it's evidence.

I'm now thinking the child was possibly wrapped up inside Smithman's black jacket when hidden in the dark after passing the Smith family down towards church/rocky shore area.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2013, 09:32:34 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #498 on: November 10, 2013, 10:11:30 PM »
Thanks Anne. I think the cadaver dogs should check inside the bins? If they find one positive sign inside a bin it's evidence.

I'm now thinking the child was possibly wrapped up inside Smithman's black jacket when hidden in the dark after passing the Smith family down towards church/rocky shore area.
Portugal had no cadaver dogs then, but tracker dogs and rescue dogs. Those usually are repelled by cadaver scent, so they would be of no use for bins. Handlers by rule don't bring their sniffer dogs in too smelly parts, because the dogs exhaust themselves trying to find the right scent. People mock this, saying the dog is attracted by garbage. This is shameful, the dog tries very hard to discriminate. I'm talking of professionally trained dogs of course.
I'm pretty sure no dog smelt the bins. The files say that the bins were checked on the 7th, much too late. Some benevolent searchers searched some bins on the 4th. Too late. I was told the PJ went on the landfill. Too late. Hundred of tons of compressed garbage had been deposited since the 3rd of May.
If Smithman, scared that an autopsy would determine the cause and manner of death, intended to get rid of a body, this was the unique secure way.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #499 on: November 10, 2013, 10:30:04 PM »
Excellent information thanks. I'm still intrigued by the rental car and that witness reporting that the boot of the car was constantly open day and night and of course the dog alerts. That can't be dismissed.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #500 on: November 10, 2013, 10:31:44 PM »
Portugal had no cadaver dogs then, but tracker dogs and rescue dogs. Those usually are repelled by cadaver scent, so they would be of no use for bins. Handlers by rule don't bring their sniffer dogs in too smelly parts, because the dogs exhaust themselves trying to find the right scent. People mock this, saying the dog is attracted by garbage. This is shameful, the dog tries very hard to discriminate. I'm talking of professionally trained dogs of course.
I'm pretty sure no dog smelt the bins. The files say that the bins were checked on the 7th, much too late. Some benevolent searchers searched some bins on the 4th. Too late. I was told the PJ went on the landfill. Too late. Hundred of tons of compressed garbage had been deposited since the 3rd of May.
If Smithman, scared that an autopsy would determine the cause and manner of death, intended to get rid of a body, this was the unique secure way.

Putting myself in smithmans position I don't think I could deposit in the trash & hope no one finds her, I would have the niggling doubt that the bin might get knocked over or the binmen might by chance notice the body as it enters the bin lorry.
I can imagine a couple of more secure methods of disposal, however they would require pre-planning.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #501 on: November 10, 2013, 10:34:55 PM »
Agreed with the rental car suspicions I believe the child was moved from the bin by Smithman and not left in one.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2013, 10:37:09 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #502 on: November 10, 2013, 10:47:11 PM »
Putting myself in smithmans position I don't think I could deposit in the trash & hope no one finds her, I would have the niggling doubt that the bin might get knocked over or the binmen might by chance notice the body as it enters the bin lorry.
I can imagine a couple of more secure methods of disposal, however they would require pre-planning.
This happens unfortunately in Canada, the US and the UK. It takes months to dig and often they don't find.
There's no way for the "bin men" to see what's inside of the bin. The lid is lifted only after the bin is put on the truck. A few hours later all the matter is poured in a big hole and pressed. Technically there's a window to look, but no one does. Then a sort of pad is brought to the landfill.
It sounds awful, yes, but figure out what happens to a body some days after having been buried..

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #503 on: November 10, 2013, 10:49:16 PM »
Agreed with the rental car suspicions I believe the child was moved from the bin by Smithman and not left in one.
I really don't believe this, which I find mentally unbearable, whoever Smithman can be.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #504 on: November 10, 2013, 10:52:05 PM »
I believe the child was moved from the bin by Smithman and not left in one.
This was Pat Brown's idea, because of the funerary rituals of the Roman Catholics (she told me)

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #505 on: November 10, 2013, 10:54:46 PM »
Excellent information thanks. I'm still intrigued by the rental car and that witness reporting that the boot of the car was constantly open day and night and of course the dog alerts. That can't be dismissed.
I happened to forget frozen fish in my car's boot... I better not recall the scent !

Offline sadie

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #506 on: November 10, 2013, 10:58:08 PM »
Certainly one of them (?Payne) was around the pool area and another one (Mat?) went to reception to contact the police, so just who was searching the wider area in the early moments ?
I am not underrstanding why you have not read the files and are making it up as you go along.

It was commented, by one of the waiters, that Gerry searched the tapas area and the pool, very soon after Madeleine was discoverd missing.

Maybe others did too?  It might have been a a bit harem scarem, with everyone rechecking where others had looked as well as new areas.

No doubt about it.  It was panic stations.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #507 on: November 10, 2013, 11:04:05 PM »

It was commented, by one of the waiters, that Gerry searched the tapas area and the pool, very soon after Madeleine was discoverd missing.

It wasn't Mr McCann. Mrs Webster was yet sitting at the table and didn't see Mr McCann.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #508 on: November 10, 2013, 11:13:42 PM »
This was Pat Brown's idea, because of the funerary rituals of the Roman Catholics (she told me)

I've seen some of her blogs and images which are good but I don't know what she actually believes. I'm doing this from my own point of view. I do believe there's a connection with the church and getting the keys.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?
« Reply #509 on: November 10, 2013, 11:28:10 PM »
I've seen some of her blogs and images which are good but I don't know what she actually believes. I'm doing this from my own point of view. I do believe there's a connection with the church and getting the keys.
What I told you Pat Brown believed is dated beginning of 2011.
There are many bins, now buried ones, near the church which stays in a (at night) desert square.