How likely is it that Jane Tanner and the Smiths saw the 'same' man ?

[jassi]

This is just a regurgitation from years ago.  Someone who was  weeks before the disappearance, but not at the time, as I recall.  Amazing what they'll do to sell papers

I wonder what SY make of this ?

[stephen25000]

This is just a regurgitation from years ago.  Someone who was  weeks before the disappearance, but not at the time, as I recall.  Amazing what they'll do to sell papers

I wonder what SY make of this ?

Well it's just more rollocks from the Sun.

[faithlilly]

Putting myself in smithmans position I don't think I could deposit in the trash & hope no one finds her, I would have the niggling doubt that the bin might get knocked over or the binmen might by chance notice the body as it enters the bin lorry.
I can imagine a couple of more secure methods of disposal, however they would require pre-planning.

Perhaps the body was meant to be found. If it was Gerry seen by the Smiths he may have wanted the body to be found but for it to be far enough from their apartment so it didn't implicate them. Any signs of trauma/sedation could then be blamed on the abductor.

[pathfinder73]

THis is disgraceful It was Gerry Mccann

Provide the statement that Gerry was searching the tapas bar area in those first 5 minutes? David Payne did and told Dianne Webster to go and she went straight to the apartment and found Kate alone with the twins.

[ferryman]

Perhaps the body was meant to be found. If it was Gerry seen by the Smiths he may have wanted the body to be found but for it to be far enough from their apartment so it didn't implicate them. Any signs of trauma/sedation could then be blamed on the abductor.

The Body?

What body?

If this has already been posted, I'm naturally delighted, because this article should be repeated as often as possible:

From today's Times:

For [ censored word ]s of the poor McCanns it’s open season
Janice Turner

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What a hard week for Kate and Gerry McCann. Every fragment of hope from a new Scotland Yard lead comes with regret: if only six years ago Portuguese police had done their job. These new e-fit figures seen loitering in stairwells or carrying a sleeping child towards the sea are so shadowy and long-scattered that it is like searching for people who appeared in a dream.
And the McCanns know that the price of another public appeal is refuelling the anger of those who hate them. No tabloid newspaper, however bile-spewing or intrusive, has ever published such vile, defamatory and cruel words as those written about the McCanns by ordinary British citizens.
Even the Daily Express, house journal of the Madeleine trolls, did not photoshop her parents’ heads on to the Moors murderers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady as someone did on Twitter this week. I regularly receive updates from strange organisations — if that is the right term for anonymous e-mail accounts writing mainly in block capitals — purporting to expose the “truth” about the McCanns’ lies.
Online is a bizarre netherworld of people who, against all evidence, refuse to believe Madeleine was not killed by her parents. Well, they seem “cold”, a bit creepy, look at them loving being on TV.
Madder than Diana conspiracists, more visceral than 9/11 deniers, the McCann trolls exude the ancient gut fury of lynchings and witch trials. For some, Madeleine allows them to vent class rage: “a poor mum who left her babies to go down the boozer wouldn’t get any sympathy”. For others, particularly mothers, the case permits a heady, puffed-up righteousness: “I’d never neglect my kids like that.”
Even if Madeleine was found alive, some would insist she was an imposter, that DNA tests were further lies. McCann trolls wouldn’t let mere truth spoil the thrill of a good hate.

Incidentally Faith, is there any chance you could email your mate Nigel Moore and let him know he continues to peddle outright falsehoods and lies on his site?

[jassi]

I don't know who Janice Turner is, but I presume she is another of these people who 'know'  exactly what happened.

[faithlilly]

The Body?

What body?

If this has already been posted, I'm naturally delighted, because this article should be repeated as often as possible:

From today's Times:

For [ censored word ]s of the poor McCanns it’s open season
Janice Turner

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Published at 12:01AM, October 17 2013
Notebook
What a hard week for Kate and Gerry McCann. Every fragment of hope from a new Scotland Yard lead comes with regret: if only six years ago Portuguese police had done their job. These new e-fit figures seen loitering in stairwells or carrying a sleeping child towards the sea are so shadowy and long-scattered that it is like searching for people who appeared in a dream.
And the McCanns know that the price of another public appeal is refuelling the anger of those who hate them. No tabloid newspaper, however bile-spewing or intrusive, has ever published such vile, defamatory and cruel words as those written about the McCanns by ordinary British citizens.
Even the Daily Express, house journal of the Madeleine trolls, did not photoshop her parents’ heads on to the Moors murderers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady as someone did on Twitter this week. I regularly receive updates from strange organisations — if that is the right term for anonymous e-mail accounts writing mainly in block capitals — purporting to expose the “truth” about the McCanns’ lies.
Online is a bizarre netherworld of people who, against all evidence, refuse to believe Madeleine was not killed by her parents. Well, they seem “cold”, a bit creepy, look at them loving being on TV.
Madder than Diana conspiracists, more visceral than 9/11 deniers, the McCann trolls exude the ancient gut fury of lynchings and witch trials. For some, Madeleine allows them to vent class rage: “a poor mum who left her babies to go down the boozer wouldn’t get any sympathy”. For others, particularly mothers, the case permits a heady, puffed-up righteousness: “I’d never neglect my kids like that.”
Even if Madeleine was found alive, some would insist she was an imposter, that DNA tests were further lies. McCann trolls wouldn’t let mere truth spoil the thrill of a good hate.

Incidentally Faith, is there any chance you could email your mate Nigel Moore and let him know he continues to peddle outright falsehoods and lies on his site?

Lord please save us from another opinion piece !!

[ferryman]

Lord please save us from another opinion piece !!

Don't worry, there's no hint of Blacksmith in sight (for the time being) ...

[Aiofe]

There was no organisation, they run in all directions, thinking that she couldn't be far away.
The Oldfields apparently went straight to their flat and the McCanns to theirs.
You might be right about the flowerbed, but no bag. None of them says they went on this dark alley path. After turning right between the two buildings and on reaching the G5 carpark, there are little steps on the left that lead to the upper G4 carpark. This carpark entry/exit leaves you almost at the corner of Primeiro de Maio/Agostinho da Silva.

What a crime- a terrible thing happens and people are not organised to your ex post facto expectations. Have you not heard of panic reactions.

[Aiofe]

The Body?

What body?

If this has already been posted, I'm naturally delighted, because this article should be repeated as often as possible:

From today's Times:

For [ censored word ]s of the poor McCanns it’s open season
Janice Turner

Print
Share via
Facebook
Twitter
Google+
Published at 12:01AM, October 17 2013
Notebook
What a hard week for Kate and Gerry McCann. Every fragment of hope from a new Scotland Yard lead comes with regret: if only six years ago Portuguese police had done their job. These new e-fit figures seen loitering in stairwells or carrying a sleeping child towards the sea are so shadowy and long-scattered that it is like searching for people who appeared in a dream.
And the McCanns know that the price of another public appeal is refuelling the anger of those who hate them. No tabloid newspaper, however bile-spewing or intrusive, has ever published such vile, defamatory and cruel words as those written about the McCanns by ordinary British citizens.
Even the Daily Express, house journal of the Madeleine trolls, did not photoshop her parents’ heads on to the Moors murderers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady as someone did on Twitter this week. I regularly receive updates from strange organisations — if that is the right term for anonymous e-mail accounts writing mainly in block capitals — purporting to expose the “truth” about the McCanns’ lies.
Online is a bizarre netherworld of people who, against all evidence, refuse to believe Madeleine was not killed by her parents. Well, they seem “cold”, a bit creepy, look at them loving being on TV.
Madder than Diana conspiracists, more visceral than 9/11 deniers, the McCann trolls exude the ancient gut fury of lynchings and witch trials. For some, Madeleine allows them to vent class rage: “a poor mum who left her babies to go down the boozer wouldn’t get any sympathy”. For others, particularly mothers, the case permits a heady, puffed-up righteousness: “I’d never neglect my kids like that.”
Even if Madeleine was found alive, some would insist she was an imposter, that DNA tests were further lies. McCann trolls wouldn’t let mere truth spoil the thrill of a good hate.

Incidentally Faith, is there any chance you could email your mate Nigel Moore and let him know he continues to peddle outright falsehoods and lies on his site?

I can't say how much I agree with this characterisation of the Ant- McCann Cult.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't know who Janice Turner is, but I presume she is another of these people who 'know'  exactly what happened.

[AnneGuedes]

Provide the statement that Gerry was searching the tapas bar area in those first 5 minutes? David Payne did and told Dianne Webster to go and she went straight to the apartment and found Kate alone with the twins.

As she stayed there for about 10 minutes before going to pick up left things at the restaurant, without seeing Mr McCann, we can imagine he had gone to the creche above the main reception to see if by chance Madeleine wasn't there, as told in "Madeleine".

[pathfinder73]

Is that what he said. Any alibi?

[AnneGuedes]

Perhaps the body was meant to be found. If it was Gerry seen by the Smiths he may have wanted the body to be found but for it to be far enough from their apartment so it didn't implicate them. Any signs of trauma/sedation could then be blamed on the abductor.

The unrecoverable body was the only chance of success the abduction from bed had to be the one and only narrative.

[AnneGuedes]

Is that what he said. Any alibi?

It's said in Madeleine, no time indicated. He was alone, nobody saw him at the creche nor at the main reception.