Leonor Cipriano lawyer - Dr Marcos Aragão Correia and his involvement with the McCann family.

[stephen25000]

More spin and make believe Icabod. 

No proof of any sort that
1) Joana is dead
2) Leonor, or Joao, even touched her


I think she is still alive

The bottom line on this case, is that you and others wouldn't get involved in this case if it wasn't for this case.

As far as you and your mates are concerned, it is another stick to beat Amaral with.

Metaphorically of course.

[sadie]

The bottom line on this case, is that you and others wouldn't get involved in this case if it wasn't for this case.

As far as you and your mates are concerned, it is another stick to beat Amaral with.

Metaphorically of course.

Joana Cipriano, a pretty happy fair haired girl, was abducted from Figuwiras less than 3 years before Madeleine was abducted.  Only 7 miles away crow flies from PdL

Carolina Santos, a pretty little blond girl, was abducted from Silves, less than 5 months before Madeleine.  Only about 25 miles from PdL crow flies.  [This abduction thankfully failed early on, but the PJ (Amaral?) decided not to investigate it


If you, Stephen, cannot see the likely links between these cases and Madeleines abduction, then I query that you have any understanding at all.


Less than 3 years, 7miles
Less than  5 months, approx 25 miles

Including Madeleine, THREE pretty, happy, little fair haired girls.... all gone in a 25 mile area in well under 3 years apartt

GET IT Stephen?


Sorry to shout but you seem a bit deaf, at times

[stephen25000]

Joana Cipriano, a pretty happy fair haired girl, was abducted from Figuwiras less than 3 years before Madeleine was abducted.  Only 7 miles away crow flies from PdL

Carolina Santos, a pretty little blond girl, was abducted from Silves, less than 5 months before Madeleine.  Only about 25 miles from PdL crow flies.  [This abduction thankfully failed early on, but the PJ (Amaral?) decided not to investigate it


If you, Stephen, cannot see the likely links between these cases and Madeleines abduction, then I query that you have any understanding at all.


Less than 3 years, 7miles
Less than  5 months, approx 25 miles

Including Madeleine, THREE pretty, happy, little fair haired girls.... all gone in a 25 mile area in well under 3 years apartt

GET IT Stephen?


Sorry to shout but you seem a bit deaf, at times

Merely because you want a link to exist doesn't mean it does.

I have seen examples of your so called 'detective/investigative' work and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

As to that poor girl Joana, she died as a result of her mother's and uncle's actions.

As to the rest of it, your imagination has run wild.

As to the abduction, WITHOUT ANY PROOF, never believed in it.

[DCI]

you will of course give a cite to it in due time hopefully, and preferably in ENGLISH, instead of expecting any readers to just KNOW where it is

As for her inmates being sympathetic to her after she confessed to being  involved in the killing of her child, words fail,they really do, nothing left to be said here, Im done

BUMPED TO ADD PRISON DIRECTORS COMMENTS, RE INMATES!

Joana Case: Prison guard made arguido Jornal de Notícias
By Marisa Rodrigues

20 February 2009 - 00h30m

Thanks to Joana Morais for translation

The prison guard, who said that the prison director of Odemira had suggested a change to the report on the alleged aggressions made to Leonor Cipriano, has been constituted an arguido in the disciplinary process.
Initiated by the General Directorate of the Prison Services, this process originated in the statements given by António Maia during the trial of the five Polícia Judiciária (PJ) Inspectors, which today returns to the Court of Faro.

Currently working in Silves, the former former sub-chief of the Odemira prison guards was heard as a witness in October last year. As he was questioned by the lawyer of the arguido Gonçalo Amaral, he said that the mother of Joana explained that the abrasions she had on her face were the result of "fall on the stairs" inside the premises of the PJ in Faro as a consequence of "dizziness" after a day of questioning, in 2004. "Do you believe this is correct? Do you think she fell down the stairs? Wasn't it torture?", asked Ana Maria Calado, director of the establishment, while reading the report. Before the court of jury, António Maia stated he did not alter the document.
JN knows that Ana Maria Calado has been an object of an inquest process, which was eventually shelved.

...

PRISON DIRECTORS COMMENTS, RE INMATES

They got Leonor Cipriano at 6 o'clock in the morning, and then returned for her in the middle of the night. There was no formal request for this form of interrogation from the Director of the Policia Judiciara

It was even stranger that, when enquiries began with an internal investigation into the interrogation and torture of Leonor Cipriano by the PJ, a team of two inspectors from Lisbon held a private meeting with her in prison. Their mission was to try to negotiate a sharing of blame between the PJ and the Odemira Prison in relation to the attacks on, and torture of, Leonor.
As a person of integrity, Dr. Ana Calado obviously refused to come to any compromise regarding something for which the establishment for which she was responsible at the time - Odemira prison - had no responsibility for whatsoever.
The Chief Prison Medical Officer said that Leonor Cipriano's health had got even worse a week after she had been tortured. The blood had accumulated around the eyebrows and became highly inflamed and swollen, making her nearly blind for nearly a month.

My only regret today, said Dr Ana Calado, was that at the time I did not order more photographs to be taken to illustrate Leonor's poor state of health on admission and immediately afterwards.

Dr Ana Maria's statement added: "I must say that in terms of her attitude and behaviour, Leonor Cipriano is one of the best prisoners that I have had for many years. She has not tried to commit suicide although she had many opportunities to do so after the fateful interrogation. Leonor has always had an excellent relationship with all the prison guards and the other prisoners, which has gone from strength to strength."

[stephen25000]

BUMPED TO ADD PRISON DIRECTORS COMMENTS, RE INMATES!

Joana Case: Prison guard made arguido Jornal de Notícias
By Marisa Rodrigues

20 February 2009 - 00h30m

Thanks to Joana Morais for translation

The prison guard, who said that the prison director of Odemira had suggested a change to the report on the alleged aggressions made to Leonor Cipriano, has been constituted an arguido in the disciplinary process.
Initiated by the General Directorate of the Prison Services, this process originated in the statements given by António Maia during the trial of the five Polícia Judiciária (PJ) Inspectors, which today returns to the Court of Faro.

Currently working in Silves, the former former sub-chief of the Odemira prison guards was heard as a witness in October last year. As he was questioned by the lawyer of the arguido Gonçalo Amaral, he said that the mother of Joana explained that the abrasions she had on her face were the result of "fall on the stairs" inside the premises of the PJ in Faro as a consequence of "dizziness" after a day of questioning, in 2004. "Do you believe this is correct? Do you think she fell down the stairs? Wasn't it torture?", asked Ana Maria Calado, director of the establishment, while reading the report. Before the court of jury, António Maia stated he did not alter the document.
JN knows that Ana Maria Calado has been an object of an inquest process, which was eventually shelved.

PRISON DIRECTORS COMMENTS, RE INMATES

My only regret today, said Dr Ana Calado, was that at the time I did not order more photographs to be taken to illustrate Leonor's poor state of health on admission and immediately afterwards.

Dr Ana Maria's statement added: "I must say that in terms of her attitude and behaviour, Leonor Cipriano is one of the best prisoners that I have had for many years. She has not tried to commit suicide although she had many opportunities to do so after the fateful interrogation. Leonor has always had an excellent relationship with all the prison guards and the other prisoners, which has gone from strength to strength."

So a model prisoner then ? 

So on that logic, and it's clear where this is leading, a 'model prisoner' is a really good egg and has done nothing wrong.

Give me a break on that one.

Likewise any inmate who is a 'model prisoner' and was convicted of murder is innocent too ?

[DCI]

It was even stranger that, when enquiries began with an internal investigation into the interrogation and torture of Leonor Cipriano by the PJ, a team of two inspectors from Lisbon held a private meeting with her in prison. Their mission was to try to negotiate a sharing of blame between the PJ and the Odemira Prison in relation to the attacks on, and torture of, Leonor.

So these two inspectors from Lisbon, just went to the prison for tea 

[stephen25000]

It was even stranger that, when enquiries began with an internal investigation into the interrogation and torture of Leonor Cipriano by the PJ, a team of two inspectors from Lisbon held a private meeting with her in prison. Their mission was to try to negotiate a sharing of blame between the PJ and the Odemira Prison in relation to the attacks on, and torture of, Leonor.

So these two inspectors from Lisbon, just went to the prison for tea 

Can you prove this 'negotiation' took place ?

[Carana]

More spin and make believe Icabod. 

No proof of any sort that
1) Joana is dead
2) Leonor, or Joao, even touched her


I think she is still alive

I've no idea whether she is still alive or not, but I'd agree on your two points, namely:

No proof of any sort that
1) Joana is dead
2) Leonor, or Joao, even touched her

[stephen25000]

I've no idea whether she is still alive or not, but I'd agree on your two points, namely:

No proof of any sort that
1) Joana is dead
2) Leonor, or Joao, even touched her

The murder conviction stands whether some like it or not.

You do not need  a body for a conviction.

Joana's mother is a convicted murderer and liar.

As in the case of Madeleine, there has not been one sign or lead showing Joana is alive.

Now ifany of the die hard mccannites want to search and I mean SEARCH for either of these two children, get out there and do it.

[sadie]

The murder conviction stands whether some like it or not.

You do not need  a body for a conviction.

Joana's mother is a convicted murderer and liar.

As in the case of Madeleine, there has not been one sign or lead showing Joana is alive.

Now ifany of the die hard mccannites want to search and I mean SEARCH for either of these two children, get out there and do it.

And Portugal imprisons someone on tortured out "evidence" ? .... NO EVIDENCE

Yeah, Right.

That's aright, isn't it Stephen?

[ferryman]

The murder conviction stands whether some like it or not.

Sadly so.

Unbelievable that any judiciary should regard a "confession" extracted under torture as safe.

But there we are.

It does!

[stephen25000]

The murder conviction stands whether some like it or not.

Sadly so.

Unbelievable that any judiciary should regard a "confession" extracted under torture as safe.

But there we are.

It does!

Can you prove torture ?

How about our lovely allies in the good old USA torturing people in Guantanamo Bay ?

[ferryman]

Can you prove torture ?

How about our lovely allies in the good old USA torturing people in Guantanamo Bay ?

The Portuguese courts proved torture.

And yes, far too much of Portuguese procedure and protocol mirrors American practice ...

[stephen25000]

The Portuguese courts proved torture.

And yes, far too much of Portuguese procedure and protocol mirrors American practice ...

Who exactly was proved to carry out torture ?

Can you provide a clear unbiased link.

As to the Americans, they never practice what they preach.

[Benice]

Extract from AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL = ANNUAL REPORT 2012   -  PORTUGAL

Torture and other ill-treatment

In February, a video showing prison guards using a dart-firing stun gun against an inmate in Paços de Ferreira prison in September 2010, allegedly to force him to clean his cell, was broadcast on the internet. The man appeared to offer no resistance. In April, the Minister of Justice issued a decree forbidding the use of stun guns in similar circumstances. An inquiry by the Audit and Inspection services of the General Directorate for prisons was pending at the end of the year.

In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.

Hearings in the trial of three police officers, accused of torturing Virgolino Borges while in police custody in March 2000, took place in November and December. Virgolino Borges was asked to give his testimony again as the recording had allegedly been lost due to technical problems.