Should we have faith in SY given the wrongful conviction of Barry George?

[stephen25000]

Quote from DCI Redwood.

Neither her parents or any of the members of the group who were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

Red - What could possibly be clearer than that?

He and his colleagues got the Barry George case wrong. How clear is that ?

Meanwhile it has been confirmed that the '38 suspects' are in fact potential suspects and no more.

As to solving the case, we shall see.

[DCI]

Theresa May asks permission for Met to start Madeleine McCann inquiry in Portugal


Search: an image of Madeleine McCann as she might look on her ninth birthday and Home Secretary Theresa May

Martin Bentham

Published: 30 July 2013

Updated: 12:26, 30 July 2013

Home Secretary Theresa May has sent an official request to Lisbon for permission for Scotland Yard to begin a new investigation in Portugal into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
 
It follows the disclosure that the Met has identified 38 potential suspects — including 12 Britons — who are “of interest” because of their presence in Portugal when Madeleine vanished.

In the letter, drawn up for Mrs May by the Crown Prosecution Service, she asks the Portuguese authorities for their help in gathering new evidence. But, in a more significant step, she also requests permission for Met detectives to be stationed in the country.

That will effectively allow Scotland Yard to take control of the previously stalled investigation, and raise hopes of a possible breakthrough.

A response from Portugal is expected within two weeks. Last month, after a two-year review of evidence, the Met announced it was launching a full-scale investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance. She was nearly four when she went missing from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in 2007, as her parents dined with friends nearby.

A Portuguese probe was shelved in 2008 but the Yard began a review in 2011, following the intervention of David Cameron at the request of the McCann family.

Last month the Met said that the review, which cost £5 million, had identified 38 “persons of interest” from four European countries, including Portugal. They will be the subject of the new probe. Twelve are Britons who were in Portugal at the time.

Scotland Yard has said neither the McCann family nor the friends who were staying with them were among those they have identified for further inquiries.

If Portuguese approval is given, the Met is expected to seek new forensic evidence in the country, and pursue hundreds of possible leads the review is understood to have uncovered. However, sources caution that there remains no prime suspect and the Met’s inquiries are still at an early stage.

The new Yard inquiry began partly because Portuguese authorities are unable, under their law, to reopen their probe unless compelling new evidence emerges. Met detectives will hope to uncover this, and believe it could eventually lead to the case being solved. The new investigation also raises the possibility of a trial in the UK, if a British national is identified and arrested.

The Home Office declined to comment on the letter, but confirmed that Mrs May remained determined to offer every assistance to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry as they seek to find their daughter.

A spokesman added: “The Home Office remains committed to supporting the search for Madeleine McCann, and we have always said we would provide the Metropolitan police with the resources they need to investigate her disappearance.”

[stephen25000]

'....as her parents dined with friends nearby.'

Well surprise, they missed out the word drinking again.

'If Portuguese approval is given, the Met is expected to seek new forensic evidence in the country,'

That should prove interesting. I wonder if they will use dogs  ?

All hypothetical of course, unless the Portuguese agree.

[Mo Stache]

'....as her parents dined with friends nearby.'

Well surprise, they missed out the word drinking again.

'If Portuguese approval is given, the Met is expected to seek new forensic evidence in the country,'

That should prove interesting. I wonder if they will use dogs  ?

All hypothetical of course, unless the Portuguese agree.

Not only did they miss out the word drinking, they also missed out how it is now necessary to take steps because of the hash job made of the investigation in Portugal. Gosh I wonder which one holds more importance!? Drinking or not, doesn't change the way the case was managed, but botching the investigation up does.

[stephen25000]

Not only did they miss out the word drinking, they also missed out how it is now necessary to take steps because of the hash job made of the investigation in Portugal. Gosh I wonder which one holds more importance!? Drinking or not, doesn't change the way the case was managed, but botching the investigation up does.

Prove they botched the investigation. 

Rhetoric not included.

[Mo Stache]

Prove they botched the investigation. 

Rhetoric not included.

1. Removal of Amaral from the investigation because of the bad management of the investigation.
2. Damning statements by Scotland yard highlighting failures.
3. Acknowledgement by none other than Amaral himself (mentions failures in his book).
4. Information that was made evident during the Leveson Inquiry, highlighting the failures in the investigation as well as the unprofessional police practises.
Let me think...
5. Parents made arguido when there were no clear grounds for doing so.
6. Parents 'threatened' with so called positive proof of cadaver dogs during interviews. Proof of Madeleine DNA found in the hire care, etc.....all false. 
7. Leaks to the press while case was still under secrecy law.
8. Failure to follow up witness statements or take statements.
9. Failure to follow up persons of interest.
10. Crime scene management
the list goes on and on and on...........

[DCI]

UK turns to Portugal in Maddie case

London's authorities want to question 38 people in the Madeleine McCann case.

The police want to interrogate Portuguese and English, so we asked for help to the PGR, because any diligence in our country can only be made if accompanied by prosecutors.

Maddie vanished in Praia da Luz in the Algarve in 2007.


Reino Unido pede ajuda a Portugal no caso Maddie
As autoridades londrinas querem interrogar 38 pessoas no caso Madeleine McCann.

A polícia inglesa quer interrogar portugueses e, por isso, pediu ajuda �  PGR, pois qualquer diligência no nosso país só poderá ser feita se for acompanhada pelo Ministério Público.

Maddie desapareceu na Praia da Luz, no Algarve, em 2007.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/reino-unido-pede-ajuda-a-portugal-no-caso-maddie182832173

[stephen25000]

1. Removal of Amaral from the investigation because of the bad management of the investigation.
2. Damning statements by Scotland yard highlighting failures.
3. Acknowledgement by none other than Amaral himself (mentions failures in his book).
4. Information that was made evident during the Leveson Inquiry, highlighting the failures in the investigation as well as the unprofessional police practises.
Let me think...
5. Parents made arguido when there were no clear grounds for doing so.
6. Parents 'threatened' with so called positive proof of cadaver dogs during interviews. Proof of Madeleine DNA found in the hire care, etc.....all false. 
7. Leaks to the press while case was still under secrecy law.
8. Failure to follow up witness statements or take statements.
9. Failure to follow up persons of interest.
10. Crime scene management
the list goes on and on and on...........

1. The removal of Amaral would appear to have been political.
2. Damning statements of Scotland Yard. Bearing in mind their history of cock-ups they shouldn't preach. Likewise I've already asked what success rate SY have in solving crimes. No answer to date ?
3. Very few investigations are perfect, look at SY for that.
4 Leverson was a joke and then some.
5. It was the parents themselves who effectively made themselves arguidos, not the other way round.
6 Parents weho released information into the press which broke secrecy laws. Km blaming Murat with no foundation, and wanting him 'dead'.
7 The Mccanns leaked like sieves too.
8.Given the circumstances and the lack of cooperation of the Mccanns and associates, they hindered the investigation.
9. Failure to follow up persons of interest. So who are they exactly ?  Bunnyman , Moustacheman, Spottyman, Braindeadman, ?
10. As to crime scene mangament, damaged before the local police even got there by the Mccanns and associates , trampling the apartment.
11.Claiming Amaral was making money from a book ?, claiming libel when the PJ had the same views ?
She writing a book and then claiming as with the fund , the money would be used on searching. In the accounts, 13% of the funds were used to search.

etc., etc. etc.

[stephen25000]

UK turns to Portugal in Maddie case

London's authorities want to question 38 people in the Madeleine McCann case.

The police want to interrogate Portuguese and English, so we asked for help to the PGR, because any diligence in our country can only be made if accompanied by prosecutors.

Maddie vanished in Praia da Luz in the Algarve in 2007.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/reino-unido-pede-ajuda-a-portugal-no-caso-maddie182832173

This is already known and depends whether the Portuguese agree.

Even if they do, any UK police have to be under the supervision of the Portuguese.

[sadie]

This is already known and depends whether the Portuguese agree.

Even if they do, any UK police have to be under the supervision of the Portuguese.

That's OK

Most PT cops will be honest.

[Angelo222]

Better than being wrongfully pursued for a murder I suppose as was done to Barry George. 

As far as hostility goes, he and his former pals brought that down upon themselves by pursuing a wrongful conviction against an innocent man.

[Mr Gray]

Better than being wrongfully pursued for a murder I suppose as was done to Barry George. 

when will you realise it was the jury who found George guilty..based on the evidence supplied...the main part being the forensics...nothing to do with SY....furthermore the appeal judges did not award compensation because they thought he could still have been found guilty without the forensics

[stephen25000]

when will you realise it was the jury who found George guilty..based on the evidence supplied...the main part being the forensics...nothing to do with SY....furthermore the appeal judges did not award compensation because they thought he could still have been found guilty without the forensics

False evidence supplied.

The main suspect by witnesses was blond.

George wasn't.

That is called inept police work.

[Angelo222]

when will you realise it was the jury who found George guilty..based on the evidence supplied...the main part being the forensics...nothing to do with SY....furthermore the appeal judges did not award compensation because they thought he could still have been found guilty without the forensics

The case would never have got to a courtroom had the police done their job properly.  You dont have to be a DCI at SY to know that the Dando murder was an execution shooting.

[Mr Gray]

The case would never have got to a courtroom had the police done their job properly. A proper stitch up it was!

that's not what the judge at the trail said but perhaps you are not familiar with the facts of the case...the police don't decide to prosecute its the CPs