Should we have faith in SY given the wrongful conviction of Barry George?

[stephen25000]

I don't suppose we could have a cite for that, could we?

Just type on google......

'Witnesses said the suspect in the Jill dando case was blonde'

[Mr Gray]

Just type on google......

'Witnesses said the suspect in the Jill dando case was blonde'

you provide a quote showing that witnesses said the suspect was blonde...you cannot..you are talking rubbish as ujsual and again you have been found out

[Lyall]

 &%+((£ Twas Campbell who led that investigation folks.

Ian Horrocks also.

[Lyall]

I don't suppose we could have a cite for that, could we?

Neither of the two witnesses who saw a man in the street at the exact moment of the shooting identified Barry.

The only positive identification was a woman who said she'd seen him in the street... four and a half hours before the shooting.

She identified him 17 months after the day of the shooting.

Not very convincing is it. &%&£(+

[slartibartfast]

So you are saying SY misinterpreted the forensic information which convinced the CPS to prosecute?

[stephen25000]

you provide a quote showing that witnesses said the suspect was blonde...you cannot..you are talking rubbish as ujsual and again you have been found out

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Nick Ross founded the ‘front’ Crimestopper’s helpline. This helpline conveniently stopped working following an appeal for witnesses to Jill’s murder.

'  One of the first journalists at the scene was Clarence Mitchell, who is employed by the intelligences services and was later the spokesperson in the mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann.


Mitchell is a notorious master of the dark art of spin and lies, a talent shared by Labour ####, Alastair Campbell, who was strangely also quizzed by the Met at the time of the murder.

Eye witness Barry Lindsey who saw the murderer says he felt the Police "didn’t want to listen" Police had no interest in his evidence they " brushed it aside because they were obsessed with nailing Barry George" he said.

Officers conveniently forgot to question Jill’s neighbours and also botched the e-fit photo of the suspect by making his hair brown when it was actually blond. '

and to add to that two witnesses who saw a man with a Mediterranean complexion including lindsay '

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'Former top police officer, John Stalker, was so shocked by the Met’s cack-handed investigation into Jill Dando’s murder, that he wrote an article outlining their ineptitude.

What’s very revealing about his analysis is the idea that the suspected killer had blonde-hair but police bizarrely issued an e-fit of a dark-haired man.

” It’s 100 days since the assassination of Jill Dando – yet Scotland Yard seem no closer to finding her killer.

They have not even uncovered a motive for her murder.

The lack of police success is not for want of endeavour. There’s no doubt Jill Dando’s killers have had incredible luck in escaping arrest.

But the police have made mistakes. Some of them operational misjudgments, others public relations cock-ups.

These are 12 of the most significant blunders I believe the inquiry team has made.

Confusion surrounds the E-fit issued. Most people believe it is of the killer.

It isn’t.

It is a composite likeness of a man seen running along Fulham Palace  Road.

Nothing more.

A police E-fit has not been issued of the prime suspect – a blond haired man seen loitering outside her home. He is the probable killer. '

[stephen25000]

Try this for starters, that Barry George was fitted up

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-witness-comes-2071046

Redwood was not in charge of the Dando case dave, that is already known. That was Horrocks and Campbell.

[Anna]

I have 2/3 bits of information, that will hopefully help settle the Redwood/ dando arguments. A bit for both sides of the argument. And a few other bits too..................................................some snippets


Hamish Campbell was Initially the head of the team and  as I have read, responsible for the arrest of B George, Two individuals connected with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann were also connected with the investigation into the murder of Jill Dando.

Clarence Mitchell - who was at the time working for the BBC as their senior crime reporter. He was apparently the very first reporter at the scene of the crime, and covered the investigation into Jill Dando’s murder in the months following her death

Hamish Campbell - who was the investigation’s IO - placed in charge of the day-to-day investigation into Jill Dando’s murder in 1999. He was primarily responsible for the arrest and charging of Barry Bulsara, known also as ‘Barry George’, with the murder of Dando. Bulsara was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering Jill Dando but subsequently acquitted, seven years later, on appeal. 
Ian Horrocks, the ex-detective, hailed as one of Britain’s foremost investigators, who was sent out to the Algarve by Rupert Murdoch’s Sun newspaper in February 2012 and delivered reports to the Sun and SKY NEWS backing the McCanns’ abduction claims and heavily criticising the Portuguese police.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1040718/The-trail-led-Barry-Georges-door.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detective-in-charge-of-search-128683





On multiple occasions George has won substantial damages from tabloid newspapers over various allegations published about him, at least twice pursuing these libel claims to the High Court. In December 2009, following mediation, he accepted an undisclosed amount from Rupert Murdoch's News Group Newspapers over articles published in The Sun and the News of the World.[24] In May 2010 Mirror Group Newspapers settled with George after claims, unrelated to the Dando murder, that he had developed an obsession with singer Cheryl Cole and newsreader Kay Burley.[25]
In April 2010 it emerged that the Ministry of Justice had denied a claim of £1.4 million compensation made by George in respect of his wrongful imprisonment for Jill Dando's murder.[26] The decision was made by Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary at the time, and in August 2010 the High Court ruled that George is entitled to a judicial review of the matter.[27]
On 11 May 2011 in a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court defined "miscarriage of justice" as evidence "so undermined that no conviction could possibly be based upon it". This decision cleared the way for George's solicitor, Nicholas Baird, to request that the then Justice Secretary Ken Clarke "consider afresh" George's claim for compensation, applying the new test set out by the Court.[28] The claim was heard in the High Court, but in their summing up, judges Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said: "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration.[29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Dando

[stephen25000]

I have 2/3 bits of information, that will hopefully help settle the Redwood/ dando arguments. A bit for both sides of the argument. And a few other bits too..................................................some snippets


Hamish Campbell was Initially the head of the team and  as I have read, responsible for the arrest of B George, Two individuals connected with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann were also connected with the investigation into the murder of Jill Dando.

Clarence Mitchell - who was at the time working for the BBC as their senior crime reporter. He was apparently the very first reporter at the scene of the crime, and covered the investigation into Jill Dando’s murder in the months following her death

Hamish Campbell - who was the investigation’s IO - placed in charge of the day-to-day investigation into Jill Dando’s murder in 1999. He was primarily responsible for the arrest and charging of Barry Bulsara, known also as ‘Barry George’, with the murder of Dando. Bulsara was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering Jill Dando but subsequently acquitted, seven years later, on appeal. 
Ian Horrocks, the ex-detective, hailed as one of Britain’s foremost investigators, who was sent out to the Algarve by Rupert Murdoch’s Sun newspaper in February 2012 and delivered reports to the Sun and SKY NEWS backing the McCanns’ abduction claims and heavily criticising the Portuguese police.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1040718/The-trail-led-Barry-Georges-door.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detective-in-charge-of-search-128683





On multiple occasions George has won substantial damages from tabloid newspapers over various allegations published about him, at least twice pursuing these libel claims to the High Court. In December 2009, following mediation, he accepted an undisclosed amount from Rupert Murdoch's News Group Newspapers over articles published in The Sun and the News of the World.[24] In May 2010 Mirror Group Newspapers settled with George after claims, unrelated to the Dando murder, that he had developed an obsession with singer Cheryl Cole and newsreader Kay Burley.[25]
In April 2010 it emerged that the Ministry of Justice had denied a claim of £1.4 million compensation made by George in respect of his wrongful imprisonment for Jill Dando's murder.[26] The decision was made by Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary at the time, and in August 2010 the High Court ruled that George is entitled to a judicial review of the matter.[27]
On 11 May 2011 in a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court defined "miscarriage of justice" as evidence "so undermined that no conviction could possibly be based upon it". This decision cleared the way for George's solicitor, Nicholas Baird, to request that the then Justice Secretary Ken Clarke "consider afresh" George's claim for compensation, applying the new test set out by the Court.[28] The claim was heard in the High Court, but in their summing up, judges Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said: "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration.[29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Dando

"There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration.[29]'

George was clearly found guilty as a result of an incompetent investigation which choose a man infatuated with Jill Dando.

The distinct impression was that he was fitted up.

However, no witnesses placed George at the scene of the crime at the time of her murder and the witnesses as we have seen saw others.

He clearly had every right to compensation, so the question is why was he refused.

The excuse given was APPALLING. It was a clear  miscarriage of justice on a man with major psychological problems
'

[Mr Gray]

"There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration.[29]'

George was clearly found guilty as a result of an incompetent investigation which choose a man infatuated with Jill Dando.

The distinct impression was that he was fitted up.

However, no witnesses placed George at the scene of the crime at the time of her murder and the witnesses as we have seen saw others.

He clearly had every right to compensation, so the question is why was he refused.

The excuse given was APPALLING. It was a clear  miscarriage of justice on a man with major psychological problems
'

George had already been convicted of sexual assault and attempted rape on other women...for which he served a prison sentence...he was not the innocent, harmless victim you try to portray him as

[stephen25000]

George had already been convicted of sexual assault and attempted rape on other women...for which he served a prison sentence...he was not the innocent, harmless victim you try to portray him as

He was in this case.

A cock-up by SY.

[Mr Gray]

He was in this case.

A cock-up by SY.

wrong again as usual...can you show me where he has been declared innocent

[jassi]

wrong again as usual...can you show me where he has been declared innocent

I thought it was claimed that people are declared 'not guilty', rather than innocent.

[stephen25000]

wrong again as usual...can you show me where he has been declared innocent

This has been gone through before.

His conviction was quashed.

End of.

Are you a bit slow on that one ?

and why are you so desperate to try and convince people George was guilty ?

[Mr Gray]

This has been gone through before.

His conviction was quashed.

End of.

Are you a bit slow on that one ?

and why are you so desperate to try and convince people George was guilty ?

Wrong again Stephen...you are very good at that at least. I have never tried to convince anyone that George is guilty...just pointing out the truth...he has not been declared innocent and according to the judge there was sufficient evidence to find him guilty....au contraire....you continually try to convince people that he is innocent. He may well be ...we don't really know.

So there is ...according to the judge....enough evidence to convict George of this crime. He has also been convicted and jailed for several sexual assaults...both these statements are factual..