Should we have faith in SY given the wrongful conviction of Barry George?

[John]

Very interesting thread about SY in the dando case. It does look a pretty unsafe conviction to start with, but it is difficult to tell how worthy the witness was who IIRC was looking out of the window when he heard a noise that sounded like an excited greeting, but couldn't see the victim.
 I wonder how far away he was from the front door, if he couldn't hear a gunshot?
 A gunpowder speck found in a pocket and a fibre, I believe was the total of evidence, for convicting him, except for his obsessions.
 There was also talk of corruption in SY and higher at the time, that I have read about, very recently.

Was this the same corruption that Jill Dando was investigating, before she died?

This is very unlikely however, to have any relevance to how the investigation into Maddie, was conducted more 10? years later.
Who can we trust if not our own police forces?

Never trust 'the police' or the CPS Anna, they are as susceptible to human shortcomings and weaknesses as anyone else is.

[Anna]

Never trust 'the police' or the CPS Anna, they are as susceptible to human shortcomings and weaknesses as anyone else is.

We are all susceptible to human weaknesses, John.
We do need to trust some people, such as doctors,  firemen, nurses, paramedics, solicitors, bankers etc. etc. We have no choice in the matter.
In fact anyone that we come in contact with can stab us in the back, but it would be very sad, if we had to distrust everyone………………And that seems to be the way things are going, unfortunately.

[Alice Purjorick]

We are all susceptible to human weaknesses, John.
We do need to trust some people, such as doctors,  firemen, nurses, paramedics, solicitors, bankers etc. etc. We have no choice in the matter.
In fact anyone that we come in contact with can stab us in the back, but it would be very sad, if we had to distrust everyone………………And that seems to be the way things are going, unfortunately.

Just keep a weather eye on everyone!
"Speak softly but carry a big stick" Theodore Roosevelt
"Trust in God BUT keep your powder dry" Oliver Cromwell allegedly

[Mr Gray]

The post raises the question...should we have any confidence in the PJ  given that they have featured so heavily on the amnesty site re torture...and their role in the proven torture of Cipriano

[Alice Purjorick]

The post raises the question...should we have any confidence in the PJ  given that they have featured so heavily on the amnesty site re torture...and their role in the proven torture of Cipriano

Same rules as I quoted. Keep a weather eye on everyone but do not assume it is all a gold mine or all a mine full of pyrites. The skill is knowing which is which and how much of which.

[Mr Gray]

Same rules as I quoted. Keep a weather eye on everyone but do not assume it is all a gold mine or all a mine full of pyrites. The skill is knowing which is which and how much of which.

of course it is..and some of us are better than others at knowing which is which...IMO Maddie was abducted...the only other option is she left the apartment herself but from what I have read that seems highly unlikely.

[Anna]

Just keep a weather eye on everyone!
"Speak softly but carry a big stick" Theodore Roosevelt
"Trust in God BUT keep your powder dry" Oliver Cromwell allegedly

Thank you, Alice. for the advice on the untrustworthy sort, who appear to be everywhere.

However, I think, I will just keep my dog underfed

[Anna]

Never trust 'the police' or the CPS Anna, they are as susceptible to human shortcomings and weaknesses as anyone else is.

Sorry, John. In my last reply, I had forgotten how much cause you have to distrust the police and CPS.
We are apt to put people in little bundles, according to our experiences.
I feel the same way about doctors, but we shouldn't really tar them all with the same stick. It is very difficult not too, though.

[stephen25000]

of course it is..and some of us are better than others at knowing which is which...IMO Maddie was abducted...the only other option is she left the apartment herself but from what I have read that seems highly unlikely.

No, it is not the only other option.

Remember even Redwood admitted Madeleine could have died in the apartment.

[Alice Purjorick]

Thank you, Alice. for the advice on the untrustworthy sort, who appear to be everywhere.

However, I think, I will just keep my dog underfed

I like it!

[Alice Purjorick]

of course it is..and some of us are better than others at knowing which is which...IMO Maddie was abducted...the only other option is she left the apartment herself but from what I have read that seems highly unlikely.

You are leading with your chin there!
"Amaral is toast" or whatever it was you said to that effect?
That doesn't appear to have panned out quite how you told us it would.
Cue how I am foolish and have it wrong yet again

[John]

Sorry, John. In my last reply, I had forgotten how much cause you have to distrust the police and CPS.
We are apt to put people in little bundles, according to our experiences.
I feel the same way about doctors, but we shouldn't really tar them all with the same stick. It is very difficult not too, though.

I have seen how they operate first hand and from both sides of the fence.  Police officers can lie freely when it suits their own agenda and this has been shown publicly on many occasions.  In my book, trust has to be earned, it doesn't come with the uniform.

[Anna]

I have seen how they operate first hand and from both sides of the fence.  Police officers can lie freely when it suits their own agenda and this has been shown publicly on many occasions.  In my book, trust has to be earned, it doesn't come with the uniform.

I agree that trust has to earned, but how does one earn that trust from someone, who has probably never met them and has already been let down on many occasion by someone in the same profession? This is where "The bad apple" comes in.

[Mr Gray]

You are leading with your chin there!
"Amaral is toast" or whatever it was you said to that effect?
That doesn't appear to have panned out quite how you told us it would.
Cue how I am foolish and have it wrong yet again

Amaral has admitted that the McCanns have proved some of their accusations...they will be paid damages.....you will see  I am right shortly

[Alice Purjorick]

Amaral has admitted that the McCanns have proved some of their accusations...they will be paid damages.....you will see  I am right shortly

Even a cursory glance through your previous posts is testament to your current position being somewhat of a climb down from "Amaral is beaten, Amaral is Toast, Amaral knows he is beaten that is why he (?) is causing delays....... "