The Felicia Cabrita story about the 14 bottles of wine.

[Mo Stache]

Meaningless questions.

They drank,left the children unattended and no security.

I'm glad you admitted that.

You are obviously ducking the question.
They drank yes but were not intoxicated as you imply. They did regular checks, so while unattended not for long periods as you imply. Ones own bed or the bed you are in while on holiday should be seen as 'secure' but not by intruders or abductors.
You try spin as much as you want Stephen, just try remember while you going around and around that the authorities in this case have said:
-parents and friends are not suspects
-are looking into a stranger abduction
-social services have not taken action against the McCann's for child neglect
-Attorney General has seen no crime committed by them

That should say a lot, but not for you, you too busy spinning. 

[stephen25000]

You are obviously ducking the question.
They drank yes but were not intoxicated as you imply. They did regular checks, so while unattended not for long periods as you imply. Ones own bed or the bed you are in while on holiday should be seen as 'secure' but not by intruders or abductors.
You try spin as much as you want Stephen, just try remember while you going around and around that the authorities in this case have said:
-parents and friends are not suspects
-are looking into a stranger abduction
-social services have not taken action against the McCann's for child neglect
-Attorney General has seen no crime committed by them

That should say a lot, but not for you, you too busy spinning.

There is no question or questions to duck.

If you're so confident the Mccanns have nothing to bother about, why post on here and why answer my posts ???

[Mo Stache]

There is no question or questions to duck.

If you're so confident the Mccanns have nothing to bother about, why post on here and why answer my posts ???

To voice my opinion and rebut misinformation. I have as much right to be here as you have.

You posting here isn't going to change anything in the McCann case, so why are you here? SY is not going to read your posts and decide they wrong.

I note your concern for child neglect only extends to the McCann's. What about the hundreds if not thousands of children in the world who need your services fighting their corner?

[sadie]

Your true self Sadie.


I didn't post that on this forum, and what's this about NOT bringing  stuff from other forums/places ?


As to the reason I said it, NEGLECT of children.


That's why Madeleine is missing.

As you well know, stuff is being brought to this forum all the time.  Just happens this very interesting stuff features you!

And that is why you are protesting



It is of interest to us all and explains why you have been so obstreperous all the time ... and ruined much in this forum.  That was your intention, you said



I have now changed my mind and hardened my attitude

As Anne said, "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"  ... LOL !

[sadie]

Yes as reported more than once, by his wife to the PJ. He was in the pub when she asked where their daughter was, when he wouldn't hand her back in December 2007. He said she was resting, Resting at home?, who with?

Exactly DCI

Something I have wondered before

Just who was looking after after Amarals daughter whilst he was at work and drinking.

Was SHE ON HER OWN?

[faithlilly]

Exactly DCI

Something I have wondered before

Just who was looking after after Amarals daughter whilst he was at work and drinking.

Was SHE ON HER OWN?

I hear she was sadie but don't worry Amaral was checking every thirty minutes just to make sure she wasn't screaming her head off.

[Jean-Pierre]

Stephen - if you dont my saying so you do seem to be evading the question.



What do you think of policemen who drink on duty?

[sadie]

I hear she was sadie but don't worry Amaral was checking every thirty minutes just to make sure she wasn't dreaming her head off.

Very funny ... NOT

[sadie]

BUMPED

Jean-Pierre.. quote

Stephen - if you dont my saying so you do seem to be evading the question.



What do you think of policemen who drink on duty?

[DCI]

Exactly DCI

Something I have wondered before

Just who was looking after after Amarals daughter whilst he was at work and drinking.

Was SHE ON HER OWN?

Exactly DCI

Something I have wondered before

Just who was looking after after Amarals daughter whilst he was at work and drinking.

Was SHE ON HER OWN?

Unfortunately, this situation is not a unique and isolated act, and you Sir well know about other times in the past where I've also asked for your help

[Carana]

I am sorry this is very long, but better to post in one piece, I think.

Carana was in touch with me late last night, asking me to go over all the Waiter statements.  There are quite a number!  But I did so.  As far as I could find, only two waiters said anything of interest about the wines and drinks.  Jeronimo Salcedas and Ricardo. A. D. Oliveira

Copied below relevant parts of their statements about the drinks ...  in bright blue. 
In teal .... their words about the groups visits to check their children. 
In maroon .... their observations about what happened immediately after the abduction. 

Despite the telephone lists, it seems the Police were called by the waiter very early on.  Maybe another line was used?


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm  (Jeronimo Salcedas)
2007/05/06


When asked, he said that they would normally stay at the restaurant until 23.30 - 24.00, although some of them would leave earlier, at about 23.00. They were people who showed their satisfaction with the food and would consume on average 8 bottles of wine (4 red, 4 white) between the nine of them, which he considered to be normal consumption for a group of such a number.[/color]

They did not drink coffee and as regards after dinner drinks (digestivos) they only consumed these once on 2nd May.

He noticed, because it was obvious, that some of the members of the group would regularly leave the restaurant to do something, which he gradually came to realise was 'controlling' the children.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm 2(Jeronimo Salcedas)006
22008.04.23 008.04.23 2008.04.23

Frequently, when I served the table I noticed that one or two elements of the group had left the restaurant. I could not imagine where they had gone to. After seeing the news stories, I figured that they had gone to check on their children. On some occasions, I also saw some infant monitors on the same table but never related this to the facts.

In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behaviour of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk.[/color]



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

Not the statement dated 2007/01/30 21H00 <<<<< !!! ERROR !!!  30th JAN 2007 ... 4 months before the abduction !!!
Nothing in that statement


but the statement of Date: 2007.09.07

He states that on that night, after having received the orders, he went into the bar. Immediately, he put two white wine and two red wine bottles, along with a bottle of water, on the table. He cannot be sure that he served more wine that night. The appetiser/starters were served by one of his colleagues. After 25 to 30 minutes, it was the witness who served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he now knows to be Russell, had left the table. He did not know where he had gone. The witness was asked to keep Russell?s meal warm. After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses. Asked if he remembers having seen all the elements of the group at this time, he cannot remember exactly. He also cannot state the length of time Russell was away from the table. The witness states that he had already served all the clients of the bar and for this reason, believes that Russell was away for some time.

He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.
David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.

The witness went to them, he does not remember which one, and asked what was happening. One of them responded to the witness in English stating 'A GIRL IS MISSING?' that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying. As it was night, and given the distance from the Tapas bar to the apartment, he was not able to determine if there was someone else next to the woman on the balcony. At that moment his colleague, Joe, met up with him and asked the witness to call the police, and that a child has gone missing and could not be found. Immediately afterwards, Joe left toward the street. He does not know who gave this information to Joe but the witness (or his colleague who believes the witness did so) called the reception asking them to inform the police. [/u] Questioned, he affirms that the group would normally consist of nine people (including Madeleines parents), and would normally dine around 20H30 and 20H40. They would not all arrive at once and before they all arrived, some would have cocktails. On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff. He does not remember if they were served cocktails. When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters. As already mentioned, on this occasion, he would immediately take two white and two red bottles of wine and one bottle of water to the table. Their main courses would normally be ready 25 to 30 minutes after their order? a time they used to consume the starters. After starters, the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. Generally, during dinner, he would serve four bottles of wine (two white and two red), which the group completely consumed. On that day, he did not serve any more wine. It was also normal for certain members of the group to order dessert. After this, they would normally stay at the table until after 24H00 but would always leave before 00H00, the time when the bar closed. One or more of them, on another night, asked for an after-dinner drink. He remembers this clearly because they asked for Amareto and the bar did not stock it.

The witness served almond bitters to all. He remembers that this happened on Wednesday. He does not remember if they had more after-dinner drinks. He does remember that on Wednesday, certain elements of the group got up, with their after-dinner drinks, and headed to the bar and stayed there until about 00H00/00H10. This was the only night where the group elements were in the bar after closing. [ please note, from googling, almond bitters is often a cake type pudding, or there is an almond bitters drink ... both are called Amaretto.  However, the bar does not stock Amareto (see above) so were they served the cake?]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm
2007/05/06

Nothing in this statement about drinks

Thank you, Sadie, for all that work.

[faithlilly]

Very funny ... NOT

It isn't supposed to be funny.

Amaral  allegedly left his child ( who was older than the McCann's children ) for a drink and a bite to eat, so did the McCanns. I really don't see the difference.

[Mo Stache]

It isn't supposed to be funny.

Amaral  allegedly left his child ( who was older than the McCann's children ) for a drink and a bite to eat, so did the McCanns. I really don't see the difference.

There is proof that Amaral was intoxicated. Whereas the amount of alcohol listed in the files consumed by several people over a lengthy period of time, does not make them intoxicated.
Child care arrangements of Amaral vs child care arrangements of the McCann's. Amaral can thank his stars the abductor wasn't targeting his child!

[sadie]

It isn't supposed to be funny.

Amaral  allegedly left his child ( who was older than the McCann's children ) for a drink and a bite to eat, so did the McCanns. I really don't see the difference.

He went to work and left her too, didn't he?  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure.

[Carana]

It isn't supposed to be funny.

Amaral  allegedly left his child ( who was older than the McCann's children ) for a drink and a bite to eat, so did the McCanns. I really don't see the difference.

If he had to drive, he was presumably more than 70 m away. How often did he check on her during the time he was away?