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Redblossom

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #525 on: September 09, 2013, 04:44:56 PM »
Why would they lie?  The 3 who said they saw Murat on the night of the 3rd didn't know anything about him until they saw him on TV.   

Yes they did, well, according  to THEM, they knew his name, what he looked like, they said he introduced himself by name to them that night, Russell Obrien put his name and number in his mobile phone, (though with him in one minute he is sure it was that night in the next he wasnt sure), two of them were suspicious of him for beng too interested, they related this in their may 07 and or july 07 and rogatory interviews, one said she wished she had relayed her suspicions to police beforehand! The other said he unnerved her with his dodgy eye and all! And that they apparently never bumped into him again until he appeared on TV around May 14 is utter codswallop as he was heavily  involved in both interpreting for the police! for diane webster iirc,and in the search and other activities for days after, including speaking with the group mornng of 4th may, they would have spotted him, unless of course they were sat by the pool most of the time!

Seems to me any scapegoat/available patsy for them and Ms Lori was good enough.

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Redblossom

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #526 on: September 09, 2013, 04:49:17 PM »
She should stick to journalism and leave the detective work to the professionals.
8((()*/

Likewise Mike O Sullivan, and leave interpreting Portuguese to interpreters and not his english hack mates.

Btw Carana it was Ian Woods from Sky News interviewing Lori. He wondered why she was asserting his story didnt check out when it did!
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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #527 on: September 09, 2013, 05:01:17 PM »
Thanks. The clip you posted is about her concerns about RM. Who is interviewing her?
For the record: I have no problem at all with her reporting her concerns to the police... It's blabbing about it that I have a problem with.

She certainly did that @)(++(* These clips are only samples, I can still well remember she was going on and on (for hours it seemed).

Redblossom

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #528 on: September 09, 2013, 05:08:36 PM »
It appears to be part of the course in this never ending saga.

Quite, not a slam dunk case by any means

Offline Benice

Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #529 on: September 09, 2013, 05:32:25 PM »
Yes they did, well, according  to THEM, they knew his name, what he looked like, they said he introduced himself by name to them that night, Russell Obrien put his name and number in his mobile phone, (though with him in one minute he is sure it was that night in the next he wasnt sure), two of them were suspicious of him for beng too interested, they related this in their may 07 and or july 07 and rogatory interviews, one said she wished she had relayed her suspicions to police beforehand! The other said he unnerved her with his dodgy eye and all! And that they apparently never bumped into him again until he appeared on TV around May 14 is utter codswallop as he was heavily  involved in both interpreting for the police! for diane webster iirc,and in the search and other activities for days after, including speaking with the group mornng of 4th may, they would have spotted him, unless of course they were sat by the pool most of the time!


Seems to me any scapegoat/available patsy for them and Ms Lori was good enough.

Maybe I didn't put it very well, but what I'm saying Red is that they had no idea he was being investigated until they saw him on TV.   And if they knew he was an interpretor surely that would give them even less reason to think he was involved before saw him on the telly.   The accusation is that they lied when they said they saw him on the 3rd.   Personally I don't think they did - especially as they were quite prepared to meet him at the 'confrontation' meeting and tell him the same to his face.    Can you tell me who the two people are who said they were suspicious of him before he was made an Arguido.     Surely if that was the case they would have mentioned their doubts about him to the UK FLO's. 



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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #530 on: September 09, 2013, 06:20:24 PM »
Maybe I didn't put it very well, but what I'm saying Red is that they had no idea he was being investigated until they saw him on TV.   And if they knew he was an interpretor surely that would give them even less reason to think he was involved before saw him on the telly.   The accusation is that they lied when they said they saw him on the 3rd.   Personally I don't think they did - especially as they were quite prepared to meet him at the 'confrontation' meeting and tell him the same to his face.    Can you tell me who the two people are who said they were suspicious of him before he was made an Arguido.     Surely if that was the case they would have mentioned their doubts about him to the UK FLO's.

And the reason you think Murat and his mother are lying is............?
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Redblossom

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #531 on: September 09, 2013, 06:32:10 PM »
Maybe I didn't put it very well, but what I'm saying Red is that they had no idea he was being investigated until they saw him on TV.   And if they knew he was an interpretor surely that would give them even less reason to think he was involved before saw him on the telly.   The accusation is that they lied when they said they saw him on the 3rd.   Personally I don't think they did - especially as they were quite prepared to meet him at the 'confrontation' meeting and tell him the same to his face.    Can you tell me who the two people are who said they were suspicious of him before he was made an Arguido.     Surely if that was the case they would have mentioned their doubts about him to the UK FLO's.

You need to read Rachel Oldfield and Fiona Paynes statements mid May. Your answers are in there. but specifically it was Rachel who regretted not going forward with suspicions at the time, ie before he appeared on tv

Links to interviews here

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CASE_FILES_INDEX.htm

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #532 on: September 09, 2013, 08:07:19 PM »
No qualms when you're 3 !
What was at stake was only that he lied about not being there.
If he had stolen Madeleine and if she was his captive, what was he doing in the street  ?
What's amazing is that the same people who were shocked by suspicions of lying didn't hesitate to pin point a liar.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #533 on: September 09, 2013, 10:34:10 PM »
I find it remarkable the number of people who have given statements, telephoned the police or wrote letters to them in order to implicate the McCanns or Mr Murat.

We have three of the tapas 7 claiming that they saw Robert Murat lurking near apartment 5a shortly after Madeleine disappeared. Another one even initially thought that he was Bundleman but later thought better of it.

Then we have reporter Lori Campbell who couldn't get Murat to disclose information to her including his address and telephone number so she immediately assumes he is hiding something and associates him with Ian Huntley. What the hell??  Did the silly moo not realise that Mr Murat was helping police, was sworn to secrecy and was not in a position to divulge anything??

Then we have Yvonne Martin who made it her business to confront the McCanns on the very morning after Madeleine went missing.  She apparently spoke with the McCanns and Dr David Payne just outside the apartment.  She says she was immediately suspicious of the parents.  Could this be because they weren't in the mood to discuss their missing child or their private business with a stranger?

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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #534 on: September 09, 2013, 11:32:28 PM »
It could.
You forgot the Gaspar couple..

Yes, they must have come forward of their own volition as well in order to make those damming allegations about Dr Payne's conduct whilst in the company of Gerry McCann.  This was all to do with Madeleine of course so what do you think they were suggesting??
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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #535 on: September 10, 2013, 01:07:57 AM »
You need to read Rachel Oldfield and Fiona Paynes statements mid May. Your answers are in there. but specifically it was Rachel who regretted not going forward with suspicions at the time, ie before he appeared on tv

Links to interviews here

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CASE_FILES_INDEX.htm

Thanks for the link Red - I will read them tomorrow.
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Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?
« Reply #536 on: September 10, 2013, 01:27:52 AM »
I find it remarkable the number of people who have given statements, telephoned the police or wrote letters to them in order to implicate the McCanns or Mr Murat.

We have three of the tapas 7 claiming that they saw Robert Murat lurking near apartment 5a shortly after Madeleine disappeared. Another one even initially thought that he was Bundleman but later thought better of it.

Then we have reporter Lori Campbell who couldn't get Murat to disclose information to her including his address and telephone number so she immediately assumes he is hiding something and associates him with Ian Huntley. What the hell??  Did the silly moo not realise that Mr Murat was helping police, was sworn to secrecy and was not in a position to divulge anything??

Then we have Yvonne Martin who made it her business to confront the McCanns on the very morning after Madeleine went missing.  She apparently spoke with the McCanns and Dr David Payne just outside the apartment.  She says she was immediately suspicious of the parents. Could this be because they weren't in the mood to discuss their missing child or their private business with a stranger?

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Angelo.  It seems to me that they first thought YM was attached to the investigation - she did arrive at the same time as a police car.

Having noticed how distressed Kate was - so much so that she asked whether a doctor had been called, she then proceeded to bombard her with insensitive questions!   Who on earth did she think she was?   I think it was when they realised she was just a stranger off the street that she was asked to leave by DP.

IMO she went away very peeved at DP for being asked to leave and personally I think her anonymous letter smacked of a poisoned pen letter.

All she has actually said about DP  is that she thought she recognised him from somewhere.  And to date it would appear that she still hasn't remembered from where.   




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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involve
« Reply #537 on: September 30, 2013, 01:39:26 PM »
To get back to the opening post it must be pointed out that the status of 'arguido' is unique to Portuguese law.  Just a few days ago the judge at the libel trial in Lisbon went out of her way to make this very point when a witness referred to the McCanns as official suspects following a reference to the term.

The arguido has been explained elsewhere thus I will not labour the point save to say that such a status offers protection to any witness so designated.  The witness is not obliged to answer any questions put by police officers and is entitled to have a lawyer present when questioned.

Although the Portuguese deny that the arguido is a suspect there can be no denying that for any foreigner so designated it most certainly feels that way.  For their part the McCanns certainly felt as if they were suspects or suspected of something. Why else would the Portuguese detectives be questioning them in such terms?
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It goes without saying that the man the Smith family saw carrying a child near the beach was not Gerry McCann.  He may very well have resembled him but that is where it ends.

Let's take a step back to the evidence again.  The McCanns claimed that Madeleine was abducted, taken by some stranger.  They initially claimed that the shutter on the children's bedroom window had been forced, that the window had been opened, that some person had climbed in that window, lifted Madeleine and carried her out the front door.

Forensics showed this to be untrue.  The shutter was not forced, nobody climbed in the children's bedroom window and the only prints found thereon were that of Kate McCann and a policeman. They didn't even find Gerry McCanns prints on the shutter or the window even though he claimed to have inspected them.  This could only mean one thing and that was that the alleged abductor walked in and out through the front door.  Amaral was unsure at this juncture as to what this all meant.

Then there was the conflicting statements, the flippant attitude towards any reported sightings, the refusal to answer questions, the cadaver dog alerts and the inconclusive forensic results and all the time this backstabbing of the investigation team and sniping by the Press which were being feed like piranhas by members of the Mccann family who in turn were being fed directly by Kate and Gerry!  no wonder the PJ and Amaral were suspicious.
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Benita

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when are you lot gong to "get it" madeleine's parents "are not" suspects and are not being investigated in the disappearance of their daughter madeleine.

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