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Offline faithlilly

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2013, 09:25:06 AM »
I'm sure Amaral would have mentioned it if they had rooms with 2-way mirrors.   If Amaral sees nothing wrong in the fact that he never met or spoke to the McCanns then why does he go to such lengths to hide that fact in his book?  Unless you happened to know beforehand that he'd never spoken to them, there is no way anyone reading his book would realise that was the case.


Did the McCanns ever request to speak to Amaral ? Surely if the were truly concerned about the way the case was being handled that is the first thing they would have done ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2013, 09:30:48 AM »
He didn't need to speak to them to know what was going on.  That is what detectives are employed to do, interview and report.

I disagree.    Any policeman worth his salt would want to meet and speak to the parents - so that he could weigh them up and make his own assessment of them.    IMO it was relying on secondhand accounts and other people's opinions that resulted in him getting so many facts wrong in his book.   How can you make personal judgements about other people's demeanour or behaviour when you weren't even there to witness it?

IMO It also means that he always had someone else to blame when he got things wrong..........   ''It wasn't me who got it wrong m'lud - I wasn't there  - I was told that's what happened''   I suspect that is what his defense will be - if the case goes to court.

He had no trouble talking to Robert Murat when he was taken in and made an arguido.

Pure speculation on my part but as he was made an Arguido on the 4th May in relation to his other Missing child case, I do wonder whether he decided to distance himself from the parents in this case as a self-protection measure.   I could be completely wrong about that but I can't think of any other reason why he decided to have no contact whatsoever with the parents this time round. 


   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2013, 09:43:12 AM »
I disagree.    Any policeman worth his salt would want to meet and speak to the parents - so that he could weigh them up and make his own assessment of them.    IMO it was relying on secondhand accounts and other people's opinions that resulted in him getting so many facts wrong in his book.   How can you make personal judgements about other people's demeanour or behaviour when you weren't even there to witness it?

IMO It also means that he always had someone else to blame when he got things wrong..........   ''It wasn't me who got it wrong m'lud - I wasn't there  - I was told that's what happened''   I suspect that is what his defense will be - if the case goes to court.

He had no trouble talking to Robert Murat when he was taken in and made an arguido.

Pure speculation on my part but as he was made an Arguido on the 4th May in relation to his other Missing child case, I do wonder whether he decided to distance himself from the parents in this case as a self-protection measure.   I could be completely wrong about that but I can't think of any other reason why he decided to have no contact whatsoever with the parents this time round. 


 

You obviously don't understand how police investigations work Benice.  According to your reckoning Chief Constables are only worth their salt if they personally interview every witness and suspect.   @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2013, 09:46:08 AM »


Did the McCanns ever request to speak to Amaral ? Surely if the were truly concerned about the way the case was being handled that is the first thing they would have done ?

That would have been funny to watch since they cannot speak Portuguese and Mr Amaral cannot speak English.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2013, 09:49:13 AM »
You obviously don't understand how police investigations work Benice.  According to your reckoning Chief Constables are only worth their salt if they personally interview every witness and suspect.   @)(++(*

Chief Constables aren't normally in charge of one specific case are they Angelo?   Amaral was the Lead Investigator in the McCann case and was not involved in any other cases at the same time -  as far as I know. 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Angelo222

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2013, 10:11:41 AM »
Chief Constables aren't normally in charge of one specific case are they Angelo?   Amaral was the Lead Investigator in the McCann case and was not involved in any other cases at the same time -  as far as I know.

It isn't the job of a 'coordinator' to interview people. End off!!
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2013, 10:14:54 AM »
It isn't the job of a 'coordinator' to interview people. End off!!
Mrs McCann's letter to the second coordinator wasn't answered.

Offline Lace

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2013, 10:18:46 AM »
Not as far as I can see, Lace.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

Paiva is the only one, that seems to have said this to Kate!

Sorry,  my mistake.

Offline Benice

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2013, 10:37:39 AM »
It isn't the job of a 'coordinator' to interview people. End off!!

In that case he should not have written a book pretending that he HAD interviewed people and that he knew the McCanns well enough on a personal level  to make judgements about them.    That was so dishonest IMO.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline faithlilly

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2013, 11:10:02 AM »
In that case he should not have written a book pretending that he HAD interviewed people and that he knew the McCanns well enough on a personal level  to make judgements about them.    That was so dishonest IMO.

Can you point to the passage in Amaral's book where he said he had met the McCanns ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2013, 11:13:47 AM »
Can you point to the passage in Amaral's book where he said he had met the McCanns ?

He said that in an interview, as I suspect you know full well ..,.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2013, 11:18:43 AM »
He said that in an interview, as I suspect you know full well ..,.

Then a quote from the interview then ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2013, 11:29:22 AM »
Then a quote from the interview then ?

It was the El Mundo interview:

Q – It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.

A - [Amaral] So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory [that Madeleine fell off it and died]. Kate puts her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up
again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2013, 11:30:42 AM »
It was the El Mundo interview:

Q – It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.

A - [Amaral] So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory [that Madeleine fell off it and died]. Kate puts her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up
again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting.

Two-way glass perhaps ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2013, 11:32:32 AM »
Two-way glass perhaps ?

I doubt it.  They used old-fashioned typewriters to bash out the interviews.