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Offline Mo Stache

Re: MORALS
« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2013, 01:52:37 PM »
Amaral didn't receive donations to write the book. Nevertheless he made donations, as he did all his life, to charities - that's why Isabel Duarte is so mad that she can't find any money to arrest for the McCann. Every year he is "audited" by the portuguese government, as we all are, when we submit our IRS statement.
The McCann created a Fund that is a private enterprise based solely on donations from the public with the pretense that it was to search for the child. However when you analyse their financial reports it's quite clear that the amount of money directly put into that alleged search is less than 15%.
How do you know he didn't get donations for writing the book? He might not have go donations for writing the book but he definitely got donations after he wrote the book. The then chairman of the Madeleine Foundation, Mr Tony Bennett, publicly announced the amount they donated to Amaral. Where did that money go?
You mention the Portuguese government - revenue/tax - are you aware Amaral owed the government tax money long before Madeleine went missing? 

Offline Chinagirl

Re: MORALS
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2013, 05:55:49 AM »
There is a saying in English:  "Charity begins at home."  This means that familial obligations should be met before any outside causes.

Luz would have us believe that some (all??) of the royalties from Amaral's book have been donated to a charity.  No matter how worthy this charity, commonsense indicates that it would have been far better (and more honest) for him to have used that money to secure the roof over his family's heads, to mitigate his debt to his brother, and to pay his back taxes. 

However, one remains sceptical about this so-called donation to charity, given that Luz refuses to state her source for this claim.  Far more likely,IMO, that any such "donation" is merely a scam to hide funds from various creditors, and an attempt to avoid a possible damages payout at the end of the libel trial.

One has to wonder why Luz has publicly revealed this possible donation, given that she herself has stated:  "Why should I reveal something that he wanted to keep private?"  If she knows he wanted this matter kept private, why has she ignored his wishes, and then refused to reveal her source for her claim?  All she has achieved is to further diminish his already tarnished reputation for fiscal responsibility.

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icabodcrane

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Re: MORALS
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2013, 06:43:04 AM »
There is a saying in English:  "Charity begins at home."  This means that familial obligations should be met before any outside causes.

Luz would have us believe that some (all??) of the royalties from Amaral's book have been donated to a charity.  No matter how worthy this charity, commonsense indicates that it would have been far better (and more honest) for him to have used that money to secure the roof over his family's heads, to mitigate his debt to his brother, and to pay his back taxes. 

However, one remains sceptical about this so-called donation to charity, given that Luz refuses to state her source for this claim.  Far more likely,IMO, that any such "donation" is merely a scam to hide funds from various creditors, and an attempt to avoid a possible damages payout at the end of the libel trial.

One has to wonder why Luz has publicly revealed this possible donation, given that she herself has stated:  "Why should I reveal something that he wanted to keep private?"  If she knows he wanted this matter kept private, why has she ignored his wishes, and then refused to reveal her source for her claim?  All she has achieved is to further diminish his already tarnished reputation for fiscal responsibility.

There are times when you make posts that appear so compassionate that I  am moved by the  sentiment I imagine is behind it

...  then you make a petty,  spiteful,  partisan post like this  ...  and I feel I have been blagged
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stephen25000

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Re: MORALS
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2013, 07:16:58 AM »
There is a saying in English:  "Charity begins at home."  This means that familial obligations should be met before any outside causes.

Luz would have us believe that some (all??) of the royalties from Amaral's book have been donated to a charity.  No matter how worthy this charity, commonsense indicates that it would have been far better (and more honest) for him to have used that money to secure the roof over his family's heads, to mitigate his debt to his brother, and to pay his back taxes. 

However, one remains sceptical about this so-called donation to charity, given that Luz refuses to state her source for this claim.  Far more likely,IMO, that any such "donation" is merely a scam to hide funds from various creditors, and an attempt to avoid a possible damages payout at the end of the libel trial.

One has to wonder why Luz has publicly revealed this possible donation, given that she herself has stated:  "Why should I reveal something that he wanted to keep private?"  If she knows he wanted this matter kept private, why has she ignored his wishes, and then refused to reveal her source for her claim?  All she has achieved is to further diminish his already tarnished reputation for fiscal responsibility.


Now if Amaral has donated the money to charity, where does that put people like you ?

Well I know the answer to that already.

It makes no difference to how you view Amaral.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: MORALS
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2013, 08:04:06 AM »

Now if Amaral has donated the money to charity, where does that put people like you ?

Well I know the answer to that already.

It makes no difference to how you view Amaral.

If Amaral has donated a substantial sum to charity then I applaud him. However the information is coming from Luz who has also claimed that Amaral has been cleared of charges in the Cipriano torture case. She also claims to have seen a paper that confirms this. As we know  Amaral has not been cleared so Luz has lied and therefore may also be lying on this occasion.

Offline Carana

Re: MORALS
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2013, 09:30:29 AM »
Why should I tell you? Why should I reveal something that he wanted to keep private? He doesn't have a Fund, Ltd company to have to publish whatever he does with his work earned money.

On another thread you'd said:
"Half an year after the book he attended a charity event in the north of Portugal promoted by the royalty of Europe, whose minimum was €500, to gather funds for children in Africa (I suspect that's where his book's royalties went to)."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1259.msg35746#msg35746

So... you know he did or you suspect he did?

He did indeed go to the gala dinner of the Order of Malta which was a fundraiser for social projects in Portugal and Mozambique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMWbxYjcNBs

Round about the time he had hopes of becoming a political candidate for Olhão...


Offline Angelo222

Re: MORALS
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2013, 10:11:22 AM »
The McCann family lawyer at the tribunal in Lisbon Isabel Duarte wasn't shy about making a comment outside court in which she claimed that Amaral had effectively hidden the funds so as to avoid confiscation should he lose the libel case.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mo Stache

Re: MORALS
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2013, 10:27:28 AM »
If Amaral had indeed donated all his money to charity then he could have produced record of such as proof that he can't pay his debts. As no money has been found, I put it to you, that:

-It's a lie. Money wasn't donated to any charity.
-Money was donated, but no record kept. Which would have been very unwise considering the financial situation he is in with Revenue and others he owes money to.
-Money was donated, but he refuses to produce record of such. Which is also unwise as it could be used as proof of his honourable charitable nature. And it would go a long way in helping him come to some sort of financial agreement with the people he owes money to. 

Then one also has to ask (as has been asked):
-Why donate ALL the money when he needs it to pay his debts?
-Why is there no record of this money?
-Why does he not want anyone to know where the money went?
-Has Amaral set up a false charity so that he can move the money into it?
-Has Amaral moved (untraceable) the money to an offshore bank account?
-And if so, why go to such lengths keeping transactions untraceable/hidden?

IF Amaral has nothing to hide, why not produce the evidence of the money earned and or donated?

Keep in mind:
-his publishers and the book retailers will have record of sales.
-those who paid him for interviews will have record of their expenditure.
-other companies and or organisations who donated to him will have record of their donations. 
-he wouldn't have received large amounts of money in cash, there must be some record of it, but may have been palced under someone else's name.
-people facing divorce have creative ways of hidding money from their soon to be ex's.

It's hidden
-implies that money received might not be in his name. One has to ask why?
-no record of movement of money can be found. One has to ask why?
-Charitable donations can be traced and thus doesn't fall under the category of 'hidden'.


Offline Angelo222

Re: MORALS
« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2013, 10:40:23 AM »
I always thought the Madeleine Fund was supposed to be used for searching for Madeleine but in this video granddad Brian Kennedy states it is for legal expenses. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z8I04MDfY4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: MORALS
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2013, 11:12:46 AM »
I always thought the Madeleine Fund was supposed to be used for searching for Madeleine but in this video granddad Brian Kennedy states it is for legal expenses. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z8I04MDfY4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I think you meant that Brian Kennedy is the great-uncle, not grandfather. ;)

That video was apparently filmed two weeks after she'd disappeared, so he was speaking in the context of the time: the fund had only just been established as a mechanism to receive donations from well-wishers that were coming in. Of course, legal costs associated with her disappearance were going to be an issue to face.




stephen25000

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Re: MORALS
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2013, 11:18:47 AM »
I think you meant that Brian Kennedy is the great-uncle, not grandfather. ;)

That video was apparently filmed two weeks after she'd disappeared, so he was speaking in the context of the time: the fund had only just been established as a mechanism to receive donations from well-wishers that were coming in. Of course, legal costs associated with her disappearance were going to be an issue to face.

Now how many donators thought they would be paying the Mccanns personal expenses ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: MORALS
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2013, 11:23:54 AM »

Round about the time he had hopes of becoming a political candidate for Olhão...
Do you know why his candidature was rejected ?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: MORALS
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2013, 11:24:25 AM »
I always thought the Madeleine Fund was supposed to be used for searching for Madeleine but in this video granddad Brian Kennedy states it is for legal expenses. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z8I04MDfY4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Quote
Fund Objectives

 The full objects of the Fund are:
-To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
-To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
-To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.
- http://www.findmadeleine.com/about_the_campaign/index.html

The fund continues to come under scrutiny by those who can't comprehend that everything regarding the fund meets all legal requirements. The funds objectives, etc, are on publicly display (nothing to hide). The accounts are available through Company's House and are published to the public domain. All legal requirements met. It is only those who want to see something sinister in the fund that continues to push this agenda. They would love the public to think something is 'hidden' when it is not. The same can't be said for Amaral.




AnneGuedes

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Re: MORALS
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2013, 11:26:26 AM »
Of course, legal costs associated with her disappearance were going to be an issue to face.
Which legal costs associated with Madeleine's disappearance ?

Offline Angelo222

Re: MORALS
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2013, 11:29:02 AM »
Do you know why his candidature was rejected ?


A criminal record perhaps??  8(0(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!