Bamber had a trial run with sleeping pills

[Myster]

John... you've mentioned several times before about an accomplice who might have aided Jeremy Bamber, but didn't elaborate, other than saying that he may not have been active within the farmhouse that morning, and that another local character was familiar with the internal layout.

Brett Collins was away getting his forelocks bleached in Greece and Macdonald was effectively eliminated by his alibi... so do you think one of his drug buddies was involved? And even if there was someone else, in what way do you think he would have helped, other than the suggestions I made in a previous post, viz....

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

[abs]

John... you've mentioned several times before about an accomplice who might have aided Jeremy Bamber, but didn't elaborate, other than saying that he may not have been active within the farmhouse that morning, and that another local character was familiar with the internal layout.

Brett Collins was away getting his forelocks bleached in Greece and Macdonald was effectively eliminated by his alibi... so do you think one of his drug buddies was involved? And even if there was someone else, in what way do you think he would have helped, other than the suggestions I made in a previous post, viz....

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

Myster, I have asked John pretty much the same - but he is reluctant to answer.

[Myster]

Myster, I have asked John pretty much the same - but he is reluctant to answer.

I must have missed that abs.... he's occupied with Hall, and his son's injury at the moment so I'll wait and see.

[John]

John... you've mentioned several times before about an accomplice who might have aided Jeremy Bamber, but didn't elaborate, other than saying that he may not have been active within the farmhouse that morning, and that another local character was familiar with the internal layout.

Brett Collins was away getting his forelocks bleached in Greece and Macdonald was effectively eliminated by his alibi... so do you think one of his drug buddies was involved? And even if there was someone else, in what way do you think he would have helped, other than the suggestions I made in a previous post, viz....

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

Myster, I have asked John pretty much the same - but he is reluctant to answer.

I don't think he would have gone through with it unless there were others aiding and abetting him.  Obviously I cannot name names but as I have stated previously at least one individual later admitted to his associates that he had been involved.

[abs]

Myster, I have asked John pretty much the same - but he is reluctant to answer.

I must have missed that abs.... he's occupied with Hall, and his son's injury at the moment so I'll wait and see.

Oh, something happened to his son? I hope he is OK.

[abs]

John... you've mentioned several times before about an accomplice who might have aided Jeremy Bamber, but didn't elaborate, other than saying that he may not have been active within the farmhouse that morning, and that another local character was familiar with the internal layout.

Brett Collins was away getting his forelocks bleached in Greece and Macdonald was effectively eliminated by his alibi... so do you think one of his drug buddies was involved? And even if there was someone else, in what way do you think he would have helped, other than the suggestions I made in a previous post, viz....

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

Myster, I have asked John pretty much the same - but he is reluctant to answer.

I don't think he would have gone through with it unless there was others aiding and abetting him.  Obviously I cannot name names but as I have stated previously at least one individual later admitted to his associates that he had been involved.

I know this is a long shot, but I´ll give it a try. Will you inbox me about who it might be? I never gossip and hardly even use the inbox option. Everything is out in the open here, and I know how to keep my mouth shut. 

[John]

Oh I think you have a fair idea who was involved, the extent of that involvement is the only subject for debate and may never be known.  The problem for Jeremy is that if he implicates them now at this stage he is effectively admitting that the last 27 years was a sham.   

[Myster]

I know this is a long shot, but I´ll give it a try. Will you inbox me about who it might be? I never gossip and hardly even use the inbox option. Everything is out in the open here, and I know how to keep my mouth shut. 

Hi abs... looks like you didn't you manage to wheedle anything out of John with your feminine charms  ... he's keeping schtum...

I'm not all that bothered who it was (thinks...I am really) but more about how he was involved... the mechanics of it.

[John]

I have pm'd you both now with the information that I have relating to the individuals.  Obviously we cannot name them on a public forum.

[puglove]

I have pm'd you both now with the information that I have relating to the individuals.  Obviously we cannot name them on a public forum.

What about the person I named yesterday (that you deleted!!) - was I miles away or too close?

[Tinaboo17]

Just from reading the statement, I feel there is more to play with what Julie is saying and I feel (imo) that she had more to do with the situation then she is making out.

She said the doctor prescribed her the meds, and that she later took one and didn't take anymore.
The weekend after she went to see Jeremy and took the tablets with her, and told him they where big, fat and hard to swallow.

This to Me doesn't sit right, she knew she wasn't going to take anymore and still took them with her, and left them on the microwave.
I've had tablets the size of horse tranquillisers in the past and never once carried them around, just to show people to then inform them that I'm not going to take them and then leave them at their house for them to discard of, and if they said they had plans to use them on their family I definitely would not be leaving them there.
To me it feels like she knew the purpose of the pills and carried out the plan that was in place.

[Nicholas]

Just from reading the statement, I feel there is more to play with what Julie is saying and I feel (imo) that she had more to do with the situation then she is making out.

She said the doctor prescribed her the meds, and that she later took one and didn't take anymore.
The weekend after she went to see Jeremy and took the tablets with her, and told him they where big, fat and hard to swallow.

This to Me doesn't sit right, she knew she wasn't going to take anymore and still took them with her, and left them on the microwave.
I've had tablets the size of horse tranquillisers in the past and never once carried them around, just to show people to then inform them that I'm not going to take them and then leave them at their house for them to discard of, and if they said they had plans to use them on their family I definitely would not be leaving them there.
To me it feels like she knew the purpose of the pills and carried out the plan that was in place.

On what date was Julie prescribed the sleeping pills ?

And do you think Bamber used them on the girl from the Chequers public house?

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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12158.msg666960#msg666960

According to Julie Mugford, Bamber had a trial run with some sleeping pills she had obtained from
her GP.   She apparently obtained these under a prescription but only took one tablet leaving the bottle
at Goldhanger while she returned to London.

Does anyone else find this rather odd?

Anyway, Bamber experimented with them in a drink to see if they had any great effect and if they could
be detected.  He told Julie they were useless.

Bamber also told Julie the girl from the Chequers public house was ‘neurotic’

[Amanda3266]

There's lively debating going on under the FB group "Jeremy Bamber Guiktt or Innocent Discuss"

I don't think anyone has mentioned the sleeping pills there.

As regards Julie leaving them at Jeremy's place, I don't think that's a huge thing. I am personally very forgetful be have been known to leave my medication places by mistake.

[Nicholas]

Just from reading the statement, I feel there is more to play with what Julie is saying and I feel (imo) that she had more to do with the situation then she is making out.

She said the doctor prescribed her the meds, and that she later took one and didn't take anymore.
The weekend after she went to see Jeremy and took the tablets with her, and told him they where big, fat and hard to swallow.

This to Me doesn't sit right, she knew she wasn't going to take anymore and still took them with her, and left them on the microwave.

How have you come to the conclusion Julie ‘knew she wasn't going to take anymore and still took them with her’ ?

[Nicholas]

Just from reading the statement, I feel there is more to play with what Julie is saying and I feel (imo) that she had more to do with the situation then she is making out.

She said the doctor prescribed her the meds, and that she later took one and didn't take anymore.

What about June’s sleeping pills ?

Julie stated,

‘I remember that he said that he would use his mother’s sleeping pills to put on the drinks as she was taking them at the time’

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Excerpts from Julie Mugford’s witness statement dated 8/9th September 1985

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‘I remember that he said that he would use his mother’s sleeping pills to put on the drinks as she was taking them at the time.

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‘During the period of my teaching practice I went to my Doctor who is a Doctor REEVE of New Cross, London. He is the doctor for the college. I went there because I was having a rough time on my teaching practice and could not sleep properly. The Doctor asked me if I wanted something to calm me down and he prescribed me some mild tranquillisers. I later took one tablet but didn’t take anymore. The weekend after I got the tablets I went down to Goldhanger and told Jeremy about going to the doctor and I showed him the tablets. I told him I was annoyed with the Doctor because the doctor hadn’t discussed  the problem with me but just prescribed tablets. I showed him the tablets and told him they were big and fat and hard to swallow. Nothing more was said about them and I put the bottle on the microwave in the kitchen.
A few days later Jeremy phoned me at my home and told me that he was going to take some of the pills I had bought him. For some reason or another he had it in his mind that I had bought the pills especially for him so he could 

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‘use them on his parents. This is not true and I had no idea why he should think this. He told me that he was going to take some of the pills to see what effect they had on him and if they tasted in a drink. Although you might find it hard to believe I honestly thought he was living a charade and I didn’t want to believe what he was saying as I didn’t think he would carry his threats out. A few days later I believe it was at the weekend when I went to Goldhanger he told me the pills were useless and didn’t have the desired effect. I told Jeremy that I didn’t like him taking about stupid things and I suppose for about 6 weeks up to late November 1984 he did not mention about killing his family.  ’

Link to Julie Mugford’s police witness statement (8th/9th September 1985) ➡️ http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.msg4962#msg4962