Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[G-Unit]

That's right..... What you have claimed is not a fact.....just your opinion

So you now accept that false information was given to the media.

[Benice]

So you now accept that false information was given to the media.

Can you give a credible reason why the relatives and friends of the McCanns would deliberately conspire together to give false evidence to the media - knowing that what they claimed would be disproved within hours?

[faithlilly]

Can you give a credible reason why the relatives and friends of the McCanns would deliberately conspire together to give false evidence to the media - knowing that what they claimed would be disproved within hours?

What makes you think the relatives and friends were aware the story about the shuttered windows was a falsehood ?

[G-Unit]

Can you give a credible reason why the relatives and friends of the McCanns would deliberately conspire together to give false evidence to the media - knowing that what they claimed would be disproved within hours?

I never said they conspired together. There is no evidence that the four people who gave false information to the media spoke to each other at all. There is also no evidence to suggest they knew it was false.

[Benice]

Absolutely, and going only on what she had been told in a very traumatic phone call it is very clear that Madeleine's aunt was paraphrasing ... and at the time the people in Portugal thought the window had been the point of entry.


Speaking in Glasgow, Ms Cameron told BBC News 24: "The front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open, or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing.

"It looks as if somebody has come in the window, they've either been watching or they've targeted her.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/local-stories/the-couple-for-whom-every-parent-s-worst-nightmare-became-a-reality-1-2454624

AFAIK the McCanns didn't say the front door was lying open.     And once again we don't know if the 'front door' referred to was the carpark door or the patio door.   What we do know is that there was considerable confusion over the doors as some people described the patio door as the front door and some described the patio door as the back door.

It could be that the McCanns told her that the front door (meaning the patio door) was open - i.e. as in unlocked. They were hardly in a state to carefully pick their words in such a panic stricken time.

Some people seem to think the McCanns conversations with their relatives/friends only consisted of what is in the files.   Clearly a great deal more than that was said - and the more said -  the more chance of people hundreds of miles away, (who had also just received an enormous shock),  trying to visualise the scene, and coming to conclusions which were not precisely accurate.

There is nothing unusual about that.

[mercury]

Patio doors dont "lie open" and besides, were closed according to Kate Mccann, therefore this reference must be to the front door

And no one confused the front door and the patio door, if you say they did, tell us who.

[Benice]

I never said they conspired together. There is no evidence that the four people who gave false information to the media spoke to each other at all. There is also no evidence to suggest they knew it was false.

Can you give a credible reason why the McCanns would deliberately lie to their friends and relatives - when they knew their lies would be exposed within hours.

Apart from proving to the PJ that they were liars, what did they have to gain by that?

[Benice]

Patio doors dont "lie open" and besides, were closed according to Kate Mccann, therefore this reference must be to the front door

And no one confused the front door and the patio door, if you say they did, tell us who.

IIRC - if you read Jane Tanners' rog. statement - the interviewing officer asks her to refer to the patio door as the 'poolside door' and the other door as the 'carpark door' - in order to avoid a repetition of previous confusion over which door was which.

[faithlilly]

Can you give a credible reason why the McCanns would deliberately lie to their friends and relatives - when they knew their lies would be exposed within hours.

Apart from proving to the PJ that they were liars, what did they have to gain by that?

I don't think they were in any fit state to think long term. I think at that point in the game they were flying by the seat of their pants and neutralising as best they could the anger their family would obviously feel when learning they had left the children alone and vulnerable.

[Benice]

I don't think they were in any fit state to think long term. I think at that point in the game they were flying by the seat of their pants and neutralising as best they could the anger their family would obviously feel when learning they had left the children alone and vulnerable.

I thought it was the contention that it was all pre-planned?   The open shutters and window being their proof of an intruder?

IMO There was no need for them to do any of that.   They could have simply gone to bed and claimed that Madeleine had been abducted during the night.

Or they could have made a few scuff marks on the cill, or wall, and done some damage to the shutters.

IMO you have to believe the McCanns were both as thick as two planks to do what people claim they did.

[stephen25000]

I thought it was the contention that it was all pre-planned?   The open shutters and window being their proof of an intruder?

IMO There was no need for them to do any of that.   They could have simply gone to bed and claimed that Madeleine had been abducted during the night.

Or they could have made a few scuff marks on the cill, or wall, and done some damage to the shutters.

IMO you have to believe the McCanns were both as thick as two planks to do what people claim they did.

There was o ope widow or jemmied shutters.

ALL MADE UP.

[Alfred R Jones]

The post seems to me to be asking how the false 'broken shutter' story came about. It's a valid question because it was headline news on 4th May. The media don't seem to  have invented it, they all give direct quotes. Those telling the story also gave direct quotes about who told them. The only possible conclusion is that either the McCanns gave out false information or their relatives and friends did. Whether is was deliberate or accidental is the question arising and is what the discussion has been about.

OK, now tell me why you think you can rule out "accidental".

[Mr Gray]

I never said they conspired together. There is no evidence that the four people who gave false information to the media spoke to each other at all. There is also no evidence to suggest they knew it was false.

there is no evidence they did not speak to each other...and in the circumstances it would be incredible if they did not...your whole accusation is simply your opinion...which you have admitted

[Mr Gray]

So you now accept that false information was given to the media.

I absolutely accept that false information was given to the media by the family..as a result of a genuine mistake

[Mr Gray]

There was o ope widow or jemmied shutters.

ALL MADE UP.

only in your opinion..remember