Anything and everything

[Aiofe]

Then we have been saying much the same thing.  But the fact that there was no court case does not mean that it was not neglect. There are, as I have said many times, other ways of dealing with things, and we do not know whether or not any action was taken in the McCann case as Social Services actions are not for public display.

Totally different, but when I was working in a Children's Hospital I was aware of a case where a father had caused damage to his child.  His actions after the incident in immediately bringing his child to A&E for attention, admitting what he had done, asking for help etc -  led to him being offered parenting classes which he was very happy to accept - and there were, (fingers crossed still!) no more problems.  That does not mean that the original damage to the child was not there, the child's arm remained broken; it means that it was decided after all aspects were taken into consideration that prosecution was not necessary and the situation could be dealt with in another way

Oh FFS.

Neglect can mean two things- a criminal act and a non-criminal act.

When I say they are NOT GUILTY of neglect, that means that they have not been adjudicated criminally responsible for the act.

I people's eyes they may have non-criminally neglected a child, but that is not criminal neglect.

Can you see the distinction?
 

[CPN]

Thanks CPN, I realise various things are taken into consideration, but this is something I dont understand, if a child can break a leg with its parent in the house, they are convicted of neglect, but if one does so or worse while they were out  they wouldnt?

Well, it could depend on how the leg was broken Redblossom.  The parents would not necessarily be convicted for neglect.  Funnily enough I have given an example of a broken arm and the subsequent events as you and I were posting!  But, of course, if the parents are there, they can take immediate action; if they are not there....

[Aiofe]

No need to swear.

We were clearly trained at different times

I was a trainer. The law has not changed in this respect.

No criminal neglect is confirmed until there is a trial.

No Adminstrative neglect is confirmed until there is a family court ruling.

Decisions made by social workers or other CP team members are merely administrative positions with no meaning in law until confirmed before a judge. Being on the At Risk register is no confirmation of ill treatment- it is merely a tool to determine what is happening.

[Redblossom]

Well, it could depend on how the leg was broken Redblossom.  The parents would not necessarily be convicted for neglect.  Funnily enough I have given an example of a broken arm and the subsequent events as you and I were posting!  But, of course, if the parents are there, they can take immediate action; if they are not there....

Sorry, it was a broken arm, someone posted a comment about a case in Ilfracombe, on googling for it I found this

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/story-19948304-detail/story.html

But as you say other things are also taken into consideration.....

[Aiofe]

No it's my secondary language, but one which I use most, my mother tongue is 'as Gaeilge' ! Why is that any concern of yours or to the points raised ?

Because you do not know how 'ill advised' is used and what it means- this from your response:

"Who "advised" them ? Or are you doing that misrepresentation of the meaning of words again to derail a thread ?"

Definition of ill advised:

ill-ad·vised  [il-uhd-vahyzd]  Show IPA
adjective
acting or done without due consideration; imprudent: an ill-advised remark.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ill-advised

ill–ad·vised adjective \ˌil-əd-ˈvīzd\
: not wise or sensible
 
Full Definition of ILL-ADVISED
:  resulting from or showing lack of wise and sufficient counsel or deliberation <an ill–advised decision>
ill–ad·vised adjective \ˌil-əd-ˈvīzd\
: not wise or sensible
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ill-advised


It does not mean "having been given bad advise by a third party" as you seem to believe.
 

Advised has changed its meaning from a medieval one of 'how I see it' to a modern one of 'getting directions from another'

ill-advised still uses the ancient meaning.

It is still used in legal English. Where a judge says "I am advised that X is the case" it does not mean that someone has told him/her, it means that that is how he sees it!

[CPN]

Sorry, it was a broken arm, someone posted a comment about a case in Ilfracombe, on googling for it I found this

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/story-19948304-detail/story.html

But as you say other things are also taken into consideration.....

Yes, there seem to have been other factors to take into account in that case Redblossom.  In the case my colleague dealt with this was the first "problem" that had come to the notice of anyone

[Aiofe]

Sorry, it was a broken arm, someone posted a comment about a case in Ilfracombe, on googling for it I found this

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/story-19948304-detail/story.html

But as you say other things are also taken into consideration.....

Exactly.

The photograph brought back memories- i have been through that door many times!

[Redblossom]

Belated happy birthday BFB!
 


youre as old as youve ever been but younger than you will ever will be.....

[AnneGuedes]

And she seemed such a nice little old widow - husband was a freemason as well 

The oldest the widows, the worst ! A widow is the marrying kind !
A late friend of mine was cheated by a little old widow in a train. He fell asleep and when he woke up, his wallet had gone and the widow with it !

[Kazcutt]

I may sound like a fruit bat but I used to think Gerry was giving messages  through his bring Madeleine home blogg

Like this one .
"..................

daily routine. Yesterday (Sat) at 7am we ran to the monument at the top of the steep cliff overlooking Praia de

Luz. We reached it in 19 minutes.

............. Why would you put that ????

[Benita]

I may sound like a fruit bat but I used to think Gerry was giving messages  through his bring Madeleine home blogg

Like this one .
"..................

daily routine. Yesterday (Sat) at 7am we ran to the monument at the top of the steep cliff overlooking Praia de

Luz. We reached it in 19 minutes.

............. Why would you put that ????

what kind of message could you take out of that  ...?  probably just taking his mind off things like  writing a dairy ...

[Kazcutt]

what kind of message could you take out of that  ...?  probably just taking his mind off things like  writing a dairy ...

Depends who's reading obviously .he used to say some weird stuff
I remember him asking for the woman by the pool to get in touch with Kate ,surely you don't need to write that on your missing child's webpage

And this

Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

[Benita]

Depends who's reading obviously .he used to say some weird stuff
I remember him asking for the woman by the pool to get in touch with Kate ,surely you don't need to write that on your missing child's webpage

And this

Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

I don't know maybe just banter to keep his blog going ....I never read his blog much ..I was more interested in looking for news on madeleine ...hoping i'd read that she had been found  ...

[Kazcutt]

I don't know maybe just banter to keep his blog going ....I never read his blog much ..I was more interested in looking for news on madeleine ...hoping i'd read that she had been found  ...

You should read it it's quite interesting .they always were one step a head the trip to heuva (or something ) pj thought that's when Madeleine was moved but the mccanns filmed the trip and boot of car etc
That's just one I remember

[VIXTE]

You should read it it's quite interesting .they always were one step a head the trip to heuva (or something ) pj thought that's when Madeleine was moved but the mccanns filmed the trip and boot of car etc
That's just one I remember

I remember this. There was a photo of their car that looked like someone sitting on the back seat and then rumour was that Madeleine was sitting on the back seat.