A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[ferryman]

yes she did....source is amarals book and her rogatory interview.....chew over them....

Jane's rogatory interview says that at the moment she was about to try to make an identification, a car pulled out and blocked her view.

It does not say that she identified Robert Murat as the man she saw.

[Redblossom]

Jane's rogatory interview says that at the moment she was about to try to make an identification, a car pulled out and blocked her view.

It does not say that she identified Robert Murat as the man she saw.

She thought it was him..two sources given....end of.....now feel free to argue the to ss

[Carana]

We already have a thread on the Jane Tanner / Murat issue.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2160.0

[Aiofe]

The point of the exercise is not to find out what happened to Madeliene but to disrupt as many posts and threads as people can. Their agenda I have no idea, but you cant have a sensible debate with them Candi.

I totally AGREE with you.

The one thing I know of that EVERYONE HAVES (sorry not shouting using for emphasis lol), is a MOBILE PHONE.

Even 4 and 5 year olds have a mobile phone, some have Ipads too lol. I dont know of anyone actually who hasnt got a mobile phone, even my mum has a mobile phone and she is 91, and my mother in law had one too and she was 92 when she died.

So the obvious thing would be to pick your phone up and ring your hubby or even dial a friend at the table....

Maddy isnt here, I cant find her come quick or similar or even TEXT, its so obvious.

Now you are thinking your daughter has been abducted what do you do?

1. Run out of the door leaving 2 young vulnerable children ALONE in the bedroom
or
2. Use your mobile phone to get help (even ring reception), or shout as loud as you can to get help.

You would NEVER leave your children on their own with the knowledge that your other child could have been snatched.

Well most normal people wouldnt anyway. And we are not talking about just anyone here, we are talking about a trained doctor who is trained to act in a crisis even if they are mothers they would still protect the children that were still in the room.

No I too found it very odd, and actually wondered if it wasnt another forum myth.....

In 2007 many payasyougo phones did not work abroad. I have always bought a local disposable (and still do when in the US). also six years ago people were reluctant to use phones abroad as it was complicated and expensive.

[jassi]

The McCann group obviously had some some that night, else how could they have been phoning all and sundry as they did.

[Wonderfulspam]

In 2007 many payasyougo phones did not work abroad. I have always bought a local disposable (and still do when in the US). also six years ago people were reluctant to use phones abroad as it was complicated and expensive.

Do you think Kate didn't use her mobile to alert the police of her daughters 'abduction' on account of expense?

[Mr Gray]

Its not true Amaral NEVER BEAT anyone up, he wasnt even in the room when the err mother who commited Filicide was being interrogated.

He was however, charged for changing and falsifying documentation, got a suspended sentence, and has served his time, HE WAS NEVER SACKED for this...

ALSO all the officers who were accused were ABSOLVED as it was proven in a court that the mother who commited Filicide LIED about the beating.

Is that enough information.

I am just fed up of the same thing being dragged up and used to beat Amaral with....

 just to let you know that Leonor Cipriano was tortured by members of the PJ who have not been identified. This has  been proved in court..its a fact. Amaral was charged with covering up the torture and convicted

[Benice]

i forgot about that! was going more with her description of man and child....

No she didn't.   Because if she had there would be witness statement to prove it - and it would have been mentioned in the AG's final report  - as a positive identification of Murat as the abductor would have been a prime reason for making him an arguido.   In fact it would have been top of the list of reasons given in the AG's report for why he was made an Arguido.   It isn't there.

[pathfinder73]

Kate said she knew straight away that Madeleine was abducted - let me think - yeah the window was open in Madeleine's bedroom and she was gone. So you phone the police straight away if you know it's abduction! There was no need to start examining and contaminating the crime scene. There was no need for her to bide her time in phoning the police if she knew it was abduction unless of course it was for another reason. 

[Mr Gray]

Kate said she knew straight away that Madeleine was abducted - let me think - yeah the window was open in Madeleine's bedroom and she was gone. So you phone the police straight away if you know it's abduction! There was no need to start examining and contaminating the crime scene. There was no need for her to bide her time in phoning the police if she knew it was abduction unless of course it was for another reason.

I cant understand why SY have not worked ...could it be that your assumption is totally wrong

[pathfinder73]

That's not an assumption. That's what Kate said. She knew it was abduction but they were more concerned about examining the windows and shutters instead of phoning the police. We know SY are investigating Smithman.

[Benice]

Jane's rogatory interview says that at the moment she was about to try to make an identification, a car pulled out and blocked her view.

It does not say that she identified Robert Murat as the man she saw.

The whole identity parade failed miserably as for one reason or another she never got a clear view of Murat at any time - and wasn't even able to recognise him as the man she and Russell had met half an hour previously on their way to the meeting place to take part in the identity parade.    After it failed the PJ officers rang Amaral to ask if she needed to sign anything.   The answer was no - so she went home.     If she had identified him, it stands to reason that she would have been taken immediately to the police station to make a signed statement to that effect.

[Aiofe]

Do you think Kate didn't use her mobile to alert the police of her daughters 'abduction' on account of expense?

Wonderful case of going beyond the point of an argument. I would not think of trying to phone within a complex in a foreign country- taliking on the phone in another language is trying and often night staff have a poor command of English. Also the phones may not have been registered for outgoing calls. I never did that with by British phones- allowing incoming calls and texts, but not registering with local networks for access out, using local throwaways.

Jumping on little points like that just makes you look a fool. 

[Mr Gray]

That's not an assumption. That's what Kate said. She knew it was abduction but they were more concerned about examining the windows and shutters instead of phoning the police. We know SY are investigating Smithman.

 we know SY have clearly stated the MCCanns are not suspects...  fact

[pathfinder73]

They are still investigating - FACT.