A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[Mr Gray]

They are investigating abduction.

Does that prove an abduction actually took place?

of course it doesn't..but we were talking about the pathetic excuse for evidence that the pj had to make the MCcanns arguidos and accuse them of a crime

[Luz]

Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 09:11:21 PM
This would be an excellent point, hadn't the McCanns smartly claimed the shutters/window were broken/open. Nobody saw them open nor broken, but these words went around the world as the signature of an exceptionnal (i.e from bed) abduction.
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It's certainly not true Davel - here is part of Amy Tierney's statement relating to the open window and shutters.

Witness Statement

Amy Tierney
Date: 2007-05-06
Place: P da L

Occupation: Head of the Baby Club and Mini Club

Place of Work: Ocean Club

She comes to the process as a witness.


She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.

However there was a bed against the window, which could have enabled the girl to climb up onto it and then up to the window, the witness thinks it would not be possible as she would not be able to open the shutters and even if she had done so she would have fallen outside as the window is too high for a child of that age to be able to descend without falling.

End quote.

You seem to have forgotten that Kate McCann's fingerprints were the only ones found in the window. Since Anie went into the room after the alarm it's obvious she would see the window open, but she didn't see it broken, did she?!

[Mr Gray]

You seem to have forgotten that Kate McCann's fingerprints were the only ones found in the window. Since Anie went into the room after the alarm it's obvious she would see the window open, but she didn't see it broken, did she?!

MccANNS never said it was broken...another myth

[Lyall]

Quote from: AnneGuedes on Today at 09:11:21 PM
This would be an excellent point, hadn't the McCanns smartly claimed the shutters/window were broken/open. Nobody saw them open nor broken, but these words went around the world as the signature of an exceptionnal (i.e from bed) abduction.
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It's certainly not true Davel - here is part of Amy Tierney's statement relating to the open window and shutters.

Witness Statement

Amy Tierney
Date: 2007-05-06
Place: P da L

Occupation: Head of the Baby Club and Mini Club

Place of Work: Ocean Club

She comes to the process as a witness.


She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised she asked the parents whether Madeleine's shoes were there, to which they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine could have been taken by someone.

However there was a bed against the window, which could have enabled the girl to climb up onto it and then up to the window, the witness thinks it would not be possible as she would not be able to open the shutters and even if she had done so she would have fallen outside as the window is too high for a child of that age to be able to descend without falling.

End quote.

Guys, it's irrelevant who saw the window open after the alarm was raised. Nobody knows who opened it.

[Mr Gray]

She knew the child had been abducted and was like in fairy tales out the UE borders, so why would one expect her to scream A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse ?

So it looks like the post makes no sense to lyall or cariad either

[Mr Gray]

Guys, it's irrelevant who saw the window open after the alarm was raised. Nobody knows who opened it.

 then its not true to say it wasn't open as anne did

[Lyall]

then its not true to say it wasn't open as anne did

It's not a crucial issue davel, unless you can find a witness who saw it open before the alarm was raised?

[Benice]

You seem to have forgotten that Kate McCann's fingerprints were the only ones found in the window. Since Anie went into the room after the alarm it's obvious she would see the window open, but she didn't see it broken, did she?!

What has Kate's fingerprints got to do with Amy Tierney saying she saw the window and shutters open?

Anne G. claimed that nobody saw them open.    She was wrong.

[AnneGuedes]

'In marketing terms, it is a good ploy'

???

Why would any parent who was desperate about the alleged abduction of their child in the possible hands of paedophiles (according to the parents) be thinking about 'marketing terms' or even 'a good ploy'........

Why ? See the state of the McCann case after 6,5 years !

[Mr Gray]

It's not a crucial issue davel, unless you can find a witness who saw it open before the alarm was raised?

I agree its not a crucial issue but anne claimed it wasn't open ...another myth from anne

[AnneGuedes]

What has Kate's fingerprints got to do with Amy Tierney saying she saw the window and shutters open?

Anne G. claimed that nobody saw them open.    She was wrong.

No, Benice, I'm right. Ms Tierney saw what you yourself can see on the scientific police's picture : a shutter open about 10 cm. Ms Tierney came by only when she heard what happened at the night creche. This was after Mr McCann closed the window and lowed down the shutters, the first because of the cold on the twins and the second to experiment from the outside.

[Lyall]

I agree its not a crucial issue but anne claimed it wasn't open ...another myth from anne

You've read the book by Danny Collins davel?

[Mr Gray]

I will leave it there for this evening...perhaps we can then discuss my thread if it is approved

[Mr Gray]

You've read the book by Danny Collins davel?

no

[j.rob]

Why ? See the state of the McCann case after 6,5 years !

Indeed....


It is quite scary when you consider that there are (some) people out there who profit from crime...