A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[Wonderfulspam]

Medical staff are usually less hung up about bodies than general members of the public for obvious reasons. They are also freer from many societal taboos about speech. Additionally they often share a rather dour graveside type humour to discomfort, loss, injury and death ("I'm not here to f..king enjoy myself!") and use irony quite freely.

They are also freer from many societal taboos about speech.

While the McCanns oppose freedom of it.

[Aiofe]

There's another miconception about this case - that doctors are over-anxious about their childrens' safety. On the contrary, my parents were doctors and they most definitley were not over-anxious.

Quite the opposite. They were incredibly lax about our health and safety - verging on the point of neglect, actually. We were the kids running around with no shoes on at 11pm.

In actual fact, I am often astounded by how cavalier medical professionals can be about other people's health and safety. I suppose it is because they are dealing with sick or injured people (or worried well) all day so there is a risk of complacency.

They are worried about their own health, though, and make sure they get the best treatment. That has been my observation.

There is definitely a class issue here. Educated professionals tend to take more risks with children than less educated people. This is partly because better educated people tend to live in safer areas, and partly a matter of social attitudes.

[Aiofe]

They are also freer from many societal taboos about speech.

While the McCanns oppose freedom of it.

When have the McCanns opposed Freedom of Speech?

The right to Free Speech ends at the legal boundary of Defamation unless a defence is available. The Express Group and Tony Bennett were well beyond thos limits and suffered accordingly.

Where do you get the idea that the McCanns have been against free speech.

They have been advised to leave the snake pit fora alone, but may move on Twitter shortly, but this is their right under the law. Free speech is not totally free- at some point it becomes a legal problem for the author.

[Luz]

There is definitely a class issue here. Educated professionals tend to take more risks with children than less educated people. This is partly because better educated people tend to live in safer areas, and partly a matter of social attitudes.

The question is not about taking risks with the children, it's about lying about what happened to them.

[Wonderfulspam]

When have the McCanns opposed Freedom of Speech?

The right to Free Speech ends at the legal boundary of Defamation unless a defence is available. The Express Group and Tony Bennett were well beyond thos limits and suffered accordingly.

Where do you get the idea that the McCanns have been against free speech.

They have been advised to leave the snake pit fora alone, but may move on Twitter shortly, but this is their right under the law. Free speech is not totally free- at some point it becomes a legal problem for the author.

When have the McCanns opposed Freedom of Speech?

The former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral said today that it was a "victory for democracy" - the decision of the Supreme Court to allow distribution of his book "The Truth of the Lie" about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

"This decision was a victory for democracy. What was at issue was freedom of speech,"

"From that couple, I already expect everything. Nonetheless, if in fact they are looking for their daughter, it is not in the Portuguese civil courts that they will find her"

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id347.html

[AnneGuedes]

The question is not about taking risks with the children, it's about lying about what happened to them.

On that topic, education is certainly an issue. See poor Shannon Mathews' mum copy catting so ridiculously Mrs McCann with a teddy bear !

[j.rob]

Again - I have to ponder on the Kate's use of words in that particular context. 'Torture' is an incredibly emotive word. I just wonder why she has used that word at this particular point. For instance, the detectives told her that they wanted her to come to the police station to identify a child that might be hers.

At that point, trying to put myself into the situation where my child had gone missing and I did not know what had happened (although Kate, mysteriously, appeared to have reached a conclusion) I think I would be experiencing some hope. I would probably temper that with realism (not wanting to get hopes too high). Would it be 'torture' waiting to identify what might be your child? I'm not sure.....surely the 'torture' would be afterwards, for instance, if you had got your hopes too high.

And, still, why would that be more 'torture' than believing that your child had been abducted by a paedophile?

And now, I come back to ponder on Kate's own phrase: 'people with dirty minds have dirty thoughts'. I cannot ever imagine using that phrase or even really thinking it.

[Luz]

On that topic, education is certainly an issue. See poor Shannon Mathews' mum copy catting so ridiculously Mrs McCann with a teddy bear !

The McCann only have education in a formal sense, as they graduated from University. In social terms they are at the level of that Mathews woman. And I would risk that morally they are even lower (my opinion).

[Cariad]

I suppose what it comes down to is that people with nasty minds have nasty thoughts!

Like immediately assuming your daughter has been taken be paedophiles rather than wandered off to find you?

[Luz]

Again - I have to ponder on the Kate's use of words in that particular context. 'Torture' is an incredibly emotive word. I just wonder why she has used that word at this particular point. For instance, the detectives told her that they wanted her to come to the police station to identify a child that might be hers.

At that point, trying to put myself into the situation where my child had gone missing and I did not know what had happened (although Kate, mysteriously, appeared to have reached a conclusion) I think I would be experiencing some hope. I would probably temper that with realism (not wanting to get hopes too high). Would it be 'torture' waiting to identify what might be your child? I'm not sure.....surely the 'torture' would be afterwards, for instance, if you had got your hopes too high.

And, still, why would that be more 'torture' than believing that your child had been abducted by a paedophile?

And now, I come back to ponder on Kate's own phrase: 'people with dirty minds have dirty thoughts'. I cannot ever imagine using that phrase or even really thinking it.

After all these years you should be used to the extremes of language used in the context of the McCann case. We now are used to the media adjectives where the McCann were frequently "in rage", "anger", "devastated", etc, etc...so "torture" is just a small word to describe their "overwhelming" state of mind, poor souls!

[AnneGuedes]

And, still, why would that be more 'torture' than believing that your child had been abducted by a paedophile?

And now, I come back to ponder on Kate's own phrase: 'people with dirty minds have dirty thoughts'. I cannot ever imagine using that phrase or even really thinking it.

Would you stay at home thinking a predator might have left your child 500m away, hurt, terrified and waiting for the sound of mum's or dad's voice ?
You wouldn't use such a phrase because it has no meaning whatsoever.

[Mr Gray]

Like immediately assuming your daughter has been taken be paedophiles rather than wandered off to find you?

 Its called mothers intuition...im amazed at the tiny details posters use to build up there bigger picture

[j.rob]

But I agree about getting de-railed on the issue of taking risks. I always cut the McCanns a lot of flak for their babysitting arrangements (although they were extraordinarily relaxed about leaving such young children for quite long periods of time).

But even on this issue, they get themselves into a bit of a clef stick. Because you could argue that what they did (leaving children alone without adult supervision) exposed them to the risk of abduction, among other risks.

But the McCann's are quoted as saying that abduction was 'incredibly rare' the 'last thing on their mind'.......which is fair enough. It is very rare. Children are more likely to come to harm/disappear for other reasons. I do agree with them on that score.

So why did abduction go from being the last thing on their minds to the first thing on their minds?

People with dirty minds have dirty thoughts?

[Luz]

Its called mothers intuition...im amazed at the tiny details posters use to build up there bigger picture

What a strange intuition! Was Mrs. McCann ever a target of paedophile assault or harass?!

[Wonderfulspam]

Its called mothers intuition...im amazed at the tiny details posters use to build up there bigger picture

K: I did my check about 10.00 'clock and went in through the sliding patio doors and I just stood, actually and I thought, oh, all quiet, and to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then, but I just noticed that the door, the bedroom door where the three children were sleeping, was open much further than we’d left it. I went to close it to about here and then as I got to here, it suddenly slammed and then as I opened it, it was then that I just thought, I’ll just look at the children and I could see Sean and Amelie in the cot and then I was looking at Madeleine’s bed which was here and it was dark and I was looking and I was thinking, is that Madeleine or is that the bedding. and I couldn’t quite make her out. It sounds really stupid now, but at the time, I was thinking I didn’t want to put the light on cos I didn’t wanna wake them and literally, as I went back in, the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn,… were closed, … whoosh … It was like a gust of wind, kinda, just blew them open and cuddle cat was still there and her pink blanket was still there and then I knew straight away that she had, er, been taken, you know.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id235.html

I knew straight away that she had, er, been taken,( by paedophiles) you know.