The Real Jeremy Bamber

[Nicholas]

I think Vertigo Swirl was referring to Ispywithmybigeye's post that JB might be having more than one ball in prison!

 

“he might be having a ball for all you know” is what he said

I’m not bored of life at all, Agatha.

I usually have a busy life and love socialising with friends and family, but like yourself and the rest of the world, I’m in lockdown at the moment, hence why I have time on my hands to contribute more than I’d normally do.

This thread is about Jeremy Bamber and the heinous crimes he committed, so obviously various aspects of his life, lifestyle, doings are discussed. It is a discussion board, and some people find it interesting what makes evil people tick.

And I don’t know why it should bother you who he has relationships or sex with, be it men or woman, or both...you’re not in a romantic relationship with him, so it shouldn’t bother you in the slightest. Indeed, as you appear to like him so much, you should be happy for him that he may be enjoying a close, passionate sex life in prison. Maybe that’s why he comes across quite chirpy — he might be having a ball for all you know.

[Holly Goodhead]

“he might be having a ball for all you know” is what he said

And Vertigo Swirl posted:

"Or even two"

[Holly Goodhead]

See if you can understand and remember this;

At the date of the investigation into this case DNA testing was not available for consideration of the source of body fluids. Hence the blood samples and blood staining was not subjected to such testing and was only subjected to the much less sensitive blood group testing to which we have already referred.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html (item 476) 2002 Appeal

I will arrange for these posts to be removed to a separate thread.

[Nicholas]

Might such empathy for convicted killers, I wonder, deserve the label "Personality Disorder", OR is it that the personalities of such are so strong they can mesmerize/reach an area in some which causes them to need to feel needed, necessary and useful?

Interesting

[Vertigo Swirl]

And Vertigo Swirl posted:

"Or even two"

Yes it was an attempt at humour.

[Nicholas]

And Vertigo Swirl posted:

"Or even two"

Yes it was an attempt at humour.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

Sheila. didn't search until later - but it's not the searching, it's the the denial of wanting to but then doing do. when he was in the shit.

SC was reunited with her birth mother during May '85 when she was 27 yoa.  I understand they communicated via letters for a number of years beforehand.

JB went to prison when he was 24 yoa so had little opportunity to get the ball rolling even if he had wanted to. 

I doubt many adoptees wake up on their 18th birthday chomping at the bit to meet their birth parents.

[Nicholas]

It’s Poppy Ann Miller who appears to be the fantasist

‘I say all of this not to persecute her. Her own extended relatives and a wider community did enough of that when she was alive. It isn’t about apportioning blame and pointing the finger – but it is about establishing fact, and the fact is that contrary to the popular belief of 1985, Sheila was capable of harming her children..

More projections from her blog

“Away from almost everything else we have to keep in mind that we’re talking about the mid 1980s when understanding was comparatively close to non-existent and acceptance was even less. Within that, we can see just why Jeremy and Sheila’s parents did all they could to try and keep it in house.  A family’s business is its business, after all, and within an extremely small community in which everyone’s affairs were the subject of the idle chit-chat, you would be livid at the idea of your daughter’s struggle with schizophrenia being reduced to the “Ooooh did you hear” of the day.

As a race and as a country we are, even in 2013, embarrassed and scornful of things we don’t understand. If it’s beyond your comprehension, just take the piss out of it – that’s the British way. And unfortunately that was the way in 1985, too. Jeremy himself detailed to me in some pain about the fact that his family were at times seen as the funny farm – so to speak – of their local community; those loopy Bambers and their crazy daughter. That’s just how things were.

Out of sheer embarrassment, that is unfortunately why back at Jeremy’s trial, those who stood to benefit from his conviction – in whatever manner – helped paint the picture that Sheila’s mood was of calmness and sound mind in the hours and on the days surrounding the murders. Why, outside of their own little community bubble would they want to share what they saw as the shame of having someone 'like that' living among them? For a lot of them it was all about keeping up appearances - to not lose face, and out of selfishness and greed for some of them too.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

See if you can understand and remember this;

At the date of the investigation into this case DNA testing was not available for consideration of the source of body fluids. Hence the blood samples and blood staining was not subjected to such testing and was only subjected to the much less sensitive blood group testing to which we have already referred.
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html (item 476) 2002 Appeal

So how did they establish June’s DNA, then?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree completely. It's illuminating as to the contents of some people's minds, but has no bearing on the case whatsoever.

Actually, G-Unit,

Jeremy Bamber’s sexuality is important in this.

Back in the mid 1980s when AIDS became known as a gay disease, homophobia reached a peak.  If it’s true that Jeremy was bisexual, or even gay & was suppressing that by dating women too; and there was so much talk about him being gay, acting gay, dressing as a woman and walking down the village with his gay associates, it must have sent June into a spin. She was so conservative and even thought sex before marriage was a sin, so she must have been horrified seeing Jeremy prance around effeminately, and possibly hearing local gossip how he kissed men in local pubs etc.

If Jeremy’s homosexual leanings were far greater than he let on, that was even more reason he had to kill them all: June and maybe Nevill too, would have disowned him if he came out as gay. Yes, his primary reason was money, but after he murdered them he seemed to spend as much time, if not more, with Brett than he did Julie. Although he still had one or two women on the go before he and Julie split up just weeks later, they could have been beards. It was Brett who lived with him after the murders, and when the police arrested them early Sunday morning, Jeremy came to the door in jeans and a top, while Brett laid sprawled naked on one of the twins’ single beds. That looks fishy, somehow. Why would Brett be naked on top of the twin’s bed, yet Jeremy was dressed at such an early hour?  When they heard that door banging they knew it was the police, and it’s quite possible Brett ran into the twins’ room in panic & pretended to still be asleep despite all that loud noise of the door banging. Jeremy deliberately pulled his jeans on to make it look like he’d been up ages...at 7am on a Sunday morning? Why wasn’t he wearing his bathrobe; the one he claimed he wore on the night of the murders?  Few people shower & get dressed so early on a Sunday morning, and Brett certainly hadn’t...there’s just something fishy there...

So one does wonder if after Jeremy had finally split with Julie, he planned to slowly ease Brett in to WHF, and live as a closeted couple before selling up and moving to Australia together. It’s certainly a possibility.

Which means Jeremy had TWO reasons to murder them all: he wanted his inheritance (including Sheila’s and the twins), and he knew if June discovered her fears that was gay were true, she’d have thrown him out, disinherited him, and he’d have been couch surfing while working at Sloppy Joe’s...bang goes the Porsche.

[G-Unit]

So how did they establish June’s DNA, then?

Read this;

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[Holly Goodhead]

Actually, G-Unit,

Jeremy Bamber’s sexuality is important in this.

Back in the mid 1980s when AIDS became known as a gay disease, homophobia reached a peak.  If it’s true that Jeremy was bisexual, or even gay & was suppressing that by dating women too; and there was so much talk about him being gay, acting gay, dressing as a woman and walking down the village with his gay associates, it must have sent June into a spin. She was so conservative and even thought sex before marriage was a sin, so she must have been horrified seeing Jeremy prance around effeminately, and possibly hearing local gossip how he kissed men in local pubs etc.

If Jeremy’s homosexual leanings were far greater than he let on, that was even more reason he had to kill them all: June and maybe Nevill too, would have disowned him if he came out as gay. Yes, his primary reason was money, but after he murdered them he seemed to spend as much time, if not more, with Brett than he did Julie. Although he still had one or two women on the go before he and Julie split up just weeks later, they could have been beards. It was Brett who lived with him after the murders, and when the police arrested them early Sunday morning, Jeremy came to the door in jeans and a top, while Brett laid sprawled naked on one of the twins’ single beds. That looks fishy, somehow. Why would Brett be naked on top of the twin’s bed, yet Jeremy was dressed at such an early hour?  When they heard that door banging they knew it was the police, and it’s quite possible Brett ran into the twins’ room in panic & pretended to still be asleep despite all that loud noise of the door banging. Jeremy deliberately pulled his jeans on to make it look like he’d been up ages...at 7am on a Sunday morning? Why wasn’t he wearing his bathrobe; the one he claimed he wore on the night of the murders?  Few people shower & get dressed so early on a Sunday morning, and Brett certainly hadn’t...there’s just something fishy there...

So one does wonder if after Jeremy had finally split with Julie, he planned to slowly ease Brett in to WHF, and live as a closeted couple before selling up and moving to Australia together. It’s certainly a possibility.

Which means Jeremy had TWO reasons to murder them all: he wanted his inheritance (including Sheila’s and the twins), and he knew if June discovered her fears that was gay were true, she’d have thrown him out, disinherited him, and he’d have been couch surfing while working at Sloppy Joe’s...bang goes the Porsche.

I haven't read all the above yet, but since when is having a gay friend amongst your friendship group indicative of your own sexuality?  Given his relationships with SF, JM and AG it seems to me he was very much heterosexual.  If he was bisexual so what?  It wasn't illegal.  Its a personal choice and private matter.

Has any woman, man or child ever claimed he was sexually inappropriate around them? 

All the images I've seen of him show him smartly dressed but if he did wear makeup it was all part of the New Romantic scene of the 80's eg Duran Duran, Gary Numan, Visage etc:

Both sexes often dressed in androgynous clothing and wore cosmetics such as eyeliner and lipstick, partly derived from earlier punk fashions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Romantic

[mrswah]

Actually, G-Unit,

Jeremy Bamber’s sexuality is important in this.

Back in the mid 1980s when AIDS became known as a gay disease, homophobia reached a peak.  If it’s true that Jeremy was bisexual, or even gay & was suppressing that by dating women too; and there was so much talk about him being gay, acting gay, dressing as a woman and walking down the village with his gay associates, it must have sent June into a spin. She was so conservative and even thought sex before marriage was a sin, so she must have been horrified seeing Jeremy prance around effeminately, and possibly hearing local gossip how he kissed men in local pubs etc.

If Jeremy’s homosexual leanings were far greater than he let on, that was even more reason he had to kill them all: June and maybe Nevill too, would have disowned him if he came out as gay. Yes, his primary reason was money, but after he murdered them he seemed to spend as much time, if not more, with Brett than he did Julie. Although he still had one or two women on the go before he and Julie split up just weeks later, they could have been beards. It was Brett who lived with him after the murders, and when the police arrested them early Sunday morning, Jeremy came to the door in jeans and a top, while Brett laid sprawled naked on one of the twins’ single beds. That looks fishy, somehow. Why would Brett be naked on top of the twin’s bed, yet Jeremy was dressed at such an early hour?  When they heard that door banging they knew it was the police, and it’s quite possible Brett ran into the twins’ room in panic & pretended to still be asleep despite all that loud noise of the door banging. Jeremy deliberately pulled his jeans on to make it look like he’d been up ages...at 7am on a Sunday morning? Why wasn’t he wearing his bathrobe; the one he claimed he wore on the night of the murders?  Few people shower & get dressed so early on a Sunday morning, and Brett certainly hadn’t...there’s just something fishy there...

So one does wonder if after Jeremy had finally split with Julie, he planned to slowly ease Brett in to WHF, and live as a closeted couple before selling up and moving to Australia together. It’s certainly a possibility.

Which means Jeremy had TWO reasons to murder them all: he wanted his inheritance (including Sheila’s and the twins), and he knew if June discovered her fears that was gay were true, she’d have thrown him out, disinherited him, and he’d have been couch surfing while working at Sloppy Joe’s...bang goes the Porsche.

I don't believe Jeremy was gay. He had enough heterosexual relationships to indicate that he was not.

I doubt if he was bisexual either, but I can't say for certain.

I do agree, however, that coming out as gay in the Bamber family would not have gone down too well. IMO, it would never have happened, though.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I haven't read all the above yet, but since when is having a gay friend amongst your friendship group indicative of your own sexuality?  Given his relationships with SF, JM and AG it seems to me he was very much heterosexual.  If he was bisexual so what?  It wasn't illegal.  Its a personal choice and private matter.

Has any woman, man or child ever claimed he was sexually inappropriate around them? 

All the images I've seen of him show him smartly dressed but if he did wear makeup it was all part of the New Romantic scene of the 80's eg Duran Duran, Gary Numan, Visage etc:

Both sexes often dressed in androgynous clothing and wore cosmetics such as eyeliner and lipstick, partly derived from earlier punk fashions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Romantic

He didn’t have just one gay friend, though, Holly. In fact, he had few real friends, but the acquaintances he hung out with were mainly gay. He’s admitted that.  Brett Collins said Jeremy had a gay affair with his friend in New Zealand before they themselves got close. And Jeremy was seen kissing men passionately in public & flirting.

Julie said he’d told her that he’d had a gay affair before meeting her, so it’s no wonder she got suspicious when Brett turned up...

I certainly don’t think he was “very much heterosexual” going by everything I’ve read on him, including how he lacks that “manliness” heterosexual men have. Of course there’s nothing wrong in being gay/bisexual, but it’s definitely not a choice. One doesn’t CHOOSE to be attracted to the same sex: they just are.

You’ve missed my point, entirely, Holly.

June and possibly Nevill would have felt huge embarrassment by that, especially June, and that could be why she wanted him to marry Julie — she probably guessed he had homosexual leanings and it must have made her a bag of nerves by wondering what the village would say. You think because he had lots of flings with women meant he was straight, but actually, many men who are gay will sleep with as many women as possible in the hope to “cure” their desires. They become promiscuous because they’re not being fulfilled and not getting what they really want. It’s quite telling that his first proper gay affair happened in NZ away from the family, and it’s also telling how he yearned to get away to London, Australia or NZ.

It’s also telling how Brett and Jeremy sniggered when someone mentioned him and Julie getting engaged. Julie felt so humiliated at how cruel they both were to her when Brett laughed as Jeremy said they certainly weren’t. Brett and Julie appeared to “fight” for Jeremy’s affections, and it seems Brett won...

The homosexuality aspect is insignificant, but what is significant is that if Jeremy wanted to come out, and going by his previous, that’s a possibility, he knew he couldn’t do that as June would disown him and he’d have not one penny. Even Julie asked him why he couldn’t wait, and that he’d eventually have so much money from the farm , businesses and properties, but he said he couldn’t wait — he wanted it now.

So he had TWO reasons to murder, in my opinion.

[Nicholas]

There appears to be many women he’s done this to since being in prison.

I suppose now he’s aged (quite badly too, I read) he’s having to communicate with whoever writes to him, which must anger him inside

Are there any other women on here who’ve suffered the same disgraceful behaviour from Jeremy Bamaber when he’s realised he can no longer use them?

Hybristophilia is the term for women who are attracted to those behind bars. His, one time, "Hooray Henry" looks would have been a huge attraction -and to some, evidence of his innocence- and an enticement to help him in any way possible.

You still haven’t answered on this claim you made April?

How does Hybristophilia apply to Bamber supporters if they believe he’s innocent?