Where does evidence end and speculation take over?

[pathfinder73]

Kate McCann Madeleine.

"Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents."


So less than 12 hours since Madeleine was apparently seen being carried away by Bundleman, Kate believed her daughter could possibly be found inside a big dumpster type bin,

Infact she considers it so likely that she pleads with God for her not to be in there.

From this I deduced that Kate knew it was where she went.

Yes that bin quote stands out for me and fits my theory of where Madeleine was first hidden by Smithman. And the rocha negra area stands out and there was opportunity to move there in the dark with nobody about. I would like to know more about the search declining from the top of the cliff face due to safety. That is a place where a body could lay hidden and undetected IMO. I know the dogs searched the beach/bottom face.

[Lyall]

The bin theory was discussed heavily by channel 4's dispatches. They sent a team of British detectives to highlight how the investigation would have been conducted had SY been involved from the off iirc.

This article reproduced by the daily mail appears yo have originally been from Oct 2007.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488211/The-Maddie-Files-Five-experts-explain-police-missed-vital-chances--body.html

Yes, a very fair and balanced programme I think. That and Panorama are the only times terrestrial TV ever shut out the spin.

[Redblossom]

Yes, a very fair and balanced programme I think. That and Panorama are the only times terrestrial TV ever shut out the spin.

There was another done by RTE Ireland, called Mystery Still Surrounds the Mccanns....removed from all places it was on..l I will check RTE website see if still available after all these years

[Lyall]

There was another done by RTE Ireland, called Mystery Still Surrounds the Mccanns....removed from all places it was on..l I will check RTE website see if still available after all these years

Mystery surrounds Mystery Still Surrounds the McCanns >@@(*&)

I couldn't find it anyway. No worries, Red.

[sadie]

Mystery surrounds Mystery Still Surrounds the McCanns >@@(*&)

I couldn't find it anyway. No worries, Red.

Yeah

You guys have done a great job of creating myths and spreading disgusting propaganda and disinformation about them.

You have made a mystery out of nothing. 
Propaganda!   I wonder who was leading the suckering in of you all?   They knew how to whip you all up emotionally ... and make you sooo suspicious of everything and nothing


Time you all started thinking for yourselves and questioning why YOU are out of line with the thinking of the experts.

I wonder how much the leaders, who suckered you in, were paid?  What benefits were they getting?

[Lyall]

Yeah

You guys have done a great job of creating myths and spreading disgusting propaganda and disinformation about them.

You have made a mystery out of nothing. 
Propaganda!   I wonder who was leading the suckering in of you all?   They knew how to whip you all up emotionally ... and make you sooo suspicious of everything and nothing


Time you all started thinking for yourselves and questioning why YOU are out of line with the thinking of the experts.

I wonder how much the leaders, who suckered you in, were paid?  What benefits were they getting?

Nobody suckers me in Sadie

[Redblossom]

Yeah

You guys have done a great job of creating myths and spreading disgusting propaganda and disinformation about them.

You have made a mystery out of nothing. 
Propaganda!   I wonder who was leading the suckering in of you all?   They knew how to whip you all up emotionally ... and make you sooo suspicious of everything and nothing


Time you all started thinking for yourselves and questioning why YOU are out of line with the thinking of the experts.

I wonder how much the leaders, who suckered you in, were paid?  What benefits were they getting?

Err it was a documentary done by rte ireland...i didnt have any input btw...take it up with the tv station!!!



 

[slartibartfast]

Yeah

You guys have done a great job of creating myths and spreading disgusting propaganda and disinformation about them.

You have made a mystery out of nothing. 
Propaganda!   I wonder who was leading the suckering in of you all?   They knew how to whip you all up emotionally ... and make you sooo suspicious of everything and nothing


Time you all started thinking for yourselves and questioning why YOU are out of line with the thinking of the experts.

I wonder how much the leaders, who suckered you in, were paid?  What benefits were they getting?

See 10

10. “You debunk conspiracies because you’re a paid disinformation agent.”

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-usual-retorts-conspiracy-theorists%E2%80%99-top-10-misconceptions-of-debunkers.1202/

[jassi]

"Channel 4's Dispatches sent five British experts in criminal investigation to Praia da Luz to assess the state of the inquiry. Between them, they have 134 years of experience in dealing with serious crimes, such as abduction, murder and paedophilia."

"Professor David Canter, Director of Investigative Psychology at Liverpool University, is one of Britain's foremost behavioural profilers."

"Our team included Professor Dave Barclay, a leading forensic scientist who has worked on 215 'cold case' murders in the past six years."

"Chris Stevenson was the Detective Chief Superintendent who caught Ian Huntley in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, and was our team leader."

"Search expert Gary Lig, previously from West Yorkshire Police, has advised on search plans in more than 100 murders and disappearances."


"our final expert, police media specialist Matt Tapp, who handled the media for the Soham murder inquiry."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488211/The-Maddie-Files-Five-experts-explain-police-missed-vital-chances--body.html

Hardly a bunch of crackpots is it Sadie? I thought the British police were supposed to be second to none?

Whether you agree with their views or not is another matter but to dismiss the notion of Madeleine's body being placed in a PDL bin is clearly foolhardy. There is nothing to suggest that this did or did not happen but given the fact that bins were available in the vicinity and those same bins were emptied without a proper search beforehand it is not unreasonable to explore the possibility of this happening.

Attacking other forum members and accusing them of being suckered in by these professionals is IMO out of order. The program did not claim to know what happened to Madeleine and in fact the article even ends with Prof. Canter saying in his opinion abduction is the most likely scenario.

I would imagine Wonderfulspam based his theory on the lack of evidence regarding any abduction and applied it to an alternate scenario that could possibly have happened if time was of the essence.

That's definitely a myth 

[sadie]

Nobody suckers me in Sadie

Well as a Lyall, you are from noble and sacred blood as part of the Sinclair Clan ... aren't you?  Templars and all that.  And the Secret Societies involving some of their number.
They still exist 700 years on ... after Robert The Bruce and the Crusades


Psst:  Where have you hidden the Holy Grail and all your fortune.  Nova Scotia or Scotland or where?  Are you a friend of Dan Brown? 

Only pulling your leg.

[Lyall]

Well as a Lyall, you are from noble and sacred blood as part of the Sinclair Clan ... aren't you?  Templars and all that.  And the Secret Societies involving some of their number.
They still exist 700 years on ... after Robert The Bruce and the Crusades


Psst:  Where have you hidden the Holy Grail and all your fortune.  Nova Scotia or Scotland or where?  Are you a friend of Dan Brown? 

Only pulling your leg.

I donated it to Goncalo

(only joking. I definitly have no fortune )

[Carana]

How many forensic experts, if any, checked how many bins over how many days, starting from when?